[00:20:52] <Kadane>	 I am trying to get into my account. I typoed on the email to reset the pw and now cant send another request for 24 hours. Is there a way around this or a request I can put in somewhere to clear this up?
[00:40:32] <Krenair>	 Kadane, maybe try to trigger the form from your phone or something?
[00:40:40] <Krenair>	 (using mobile data rather than wifi)
[00:41:44] <Krenair>	 theoretically those counters can be reset but IIRC it requires sysadmin intervention
[00:42:44] <Kadane>	 Krenair, giving it a try now.
[00:44:50] <Kadane>	 Negative Krenair, I think it is an account limit :(
[00:45:30] <Krenair>	 Kadane, you're logged in while filling the password reset form?
[00:45:47] <Kadane>	 No
[00:46:02] <Krenair>	 Kadane, then if you inserted the wrong email how would it tie it to the same account?
[00:46:21] <Kadane>	 I think its tying it to the account name
[00:46:29] <Krenair>	 yes that much was implied, but how
[00:46:47] <Kadane>	 I do not understand what you are asking?
[00:46:52] <Krenair>	 wait are you saying you're filling *both* fields?
[00:47:00] <Kadane>	 yes
[00:47:01] <foks>	 You only need to fill in one
[00:47:10] <Krenair>	 don't fill both fields on the password reset form
[00:47:47] <Krenair>	 if you fill the username, the email will be ignored
[00:47:55] <Kadane>	 Oh..
[00:48:01] <Kadane>	 Well then thanks for your time :D
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[15:19:44] <superyetkin>	 hello there
[15:20:23] <RhinosF1>	 Hi,superyetkin
[15:24:54] <superyetkin>	 any place to view tool requests and fulfill them?
[15:26:51] <RhinosF1>	 Not sure
[15:27:21] <Reedy>	 Are you meaning, people asking for a tool to be written?
[15:27:32] <RhinosF1>	 If you stay around there's tech chat in half an hour
[15:31:27] <andre__>	 superyetkin: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/technical-tool-request/
[15:36:53] <Lucas_WMDE>	 I think it depends on the wiki you’re interested in
[15:37:01] <Lucas_WMDE>	 for Wikidata there’s also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90870 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Tools#Proposals,_Wishes
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[16:00:02] <milimetric>	 hi everyone, here to help with any technical advice I can
[16:00:48] <CFisch_WMDE>	 \o/
[16:01:01] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Hi folks and welcome!
[16:01:19] <chicocvenancio>	 Not quite my question but this intrigued me. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2019-February/012819.html
[16:01:19] <chicocvenancio>	 Could we create the  properties to have the vital articles lists in wikidata? 
[16:02:16] <CFisch_WMDE>	 chicocvenancio: This sounds more like a question discussed with the Wikidata community
[16:03:04] <revansx[m]>	 Hi. How can I add style="" to an entire wikitable row?
[16:03:14] <CFisch_WMDE>	 So either #wikidata or follow up on the mail thread
[16:03:40] <revansx[m]>	 for example: I know that I can write 
[16:03:41] <revansx[m]>	 | style="" | 
[16:03:42] <revansx[m]>	 to add custom style to a cell
[16:04:13] <revansx[m]>	 is it just 
[16:04:14] <revansx[m]>	 |- style=""
[16:04:15] <revansx[m]>	 to add custom style to a row?
[16:04:52] <chicocvenancio>	 CFisch_WMDE Well, yeah, the Wikipedias communitues as well. I was thinking more on how the anthologies could work with perhaps multiple wikis having somewhat differing lists
[16:05:22] <CFisch_WMDE>	 revansx[m]:  I think this shoud work |- style=""
[16:05:53] <chicocvenancio>	 CFisch_WMDE: that was originally on #wikidata with not much response and I prodded them into mailing list or wikidata itself
[16:05:56] <revansx[m]>	 ok. great. it does. thanks.
[16:06:28] <milimetric>	 revansx[m]: this is the best example I could find in the docs: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables#Cell_contents_alignment
[16:06:48] <milimetric>	 that shows both row and cell-level styles in the same place
[16:07:21] <CFisch_WMDE>	 chicocvenancio: Yeah good question, I'm not sure what's possible with properties. - As fallback there could be constraint checks implemented. So keeping the property more open and checking invalid values afterwards...
[16:07:24] <milimetric>	 there's an interesting |+ style="... syntax on that same page where you can add captions and other fancy stuff
[16:07:26] <revansx[m]>	 perfect
[16:07:38] <CFisch_WMDE>	 ...but thats just a wild guess, I'm no Wikidata expert
[16:08:24] <chicocvenancio>	 Thanks CFisch_WMDE, neither am I. But this seems like a fun project to understand it a bit more
[16:09:10] <CFisch_WMDE>	 chicocvenancio: Defenitly :-)
[16:12:50] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Soooo anyone else? :-)
[16:13:21] <milimetric>	 the host guide says something like "sometimes it's quiet, don't be disappointed"
[16:13:36] <mainframe98>	 Yes: Can I request a gerrit repository for a non-wikimedia PHP library? I've written one I'd like to use in an extension, but neither is currently yet available.
[16:13:37] <milimetric>	 hi Fisch, nice to meet you, I'm Dan Andreescu and I don't remember if we've met in person
[16:14:02] <mainframe98>	 The library currently uses my nick as namespace, and so far all I've seen are libraries that use the Wikimedia namespace
[16:14:19] <milimetric>	 mainframe98: would github or a similar hosting service be a better place for a general library like that?
[16:15:46] <RhinosF1>	 Hey, I left feedback on the thanks changes for mobile at Phabricator. What's the timeline for this issue? Also, T211490 is at code review. When should it go live?
[16:15:46] <stashbot>	 T211490: iPad Pro/iOS 12.1: scrolling is broken when editing mobile site in source mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211490
[16:16:14] <mainframe98>	 It would, but if it is used in an extension hosted in Gerrit, I'd rather not use two different platforms. Also: I'm probably one of the few people who rather prefers Gerrit over Github.
[16:16:31] <mainframe98>	 Also, Wikimedia has great CI and coverage/documentation hosting
[16:17:46] <milimetric>	 mainframe98: if it's mainly used in the extension, I would say your request has a good chance of being accepted.  I don't personally know any other repos like this, but I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed.  I was just thinking github would make more sense if you wanted your library to be widely used in the world
[16:18:02] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: Hi! Regarding the issue you linked. Normally the gerrit bot adds a comment, when the patch is merged.
[16:18:13] <milimetric>	 mainframe98: and I agree on the niceness of gerrit btw, it's great for serious work, and the CI is getting really good
[16:18:31] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: This would be the next step for that to be fixed.
[16:19:06] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: After that there will be a tag added that will show when it's going to be rolled out on the wikis.
[16:19:13] <mainframe98>	 milimetric: Well, I would have it published on packagist, so that should take care of that part. In that case, I'd go and prep the extension - I think I would have a better chance if I have something to show that it is used in. Thank you!
[16:19:47] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: Something like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/3871/
[16:19:55] <RhinosF1>	 CFish_WMDE - How long would a merge take?
[16:20:14] <milimetric>	 mainframe98: yeah, feel free to ping me if you get rejected and I'll support the idea
[16:20:18] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: Depending on how long the review for the patch takes.
[16:20:28] <mainframe98>	 milimetric: I appreciate that, thank you!
[16:20:53] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: If it's n more complex issue it can take some time, since the solution could be more complicated then.
[16:21:01] <milimetric>	 mainframe98: I can see the case for having a folder to collect these things like php-lib or something like that
[16:21:11] <milimetric>	 so php-lib/your-repo
[16:22:03] <RhinosF1>	 CFisch_WMDE - Thanks for the advice, the feedback regarding thanks issues can be found at T63737
[16:22:04] <stashbot>	 T63737: Thank notification on mobile should support click to undo - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T63737
[16:23:02] <mainframe98>	 milimetric: It does appear we have a mediawiki/libs gerrit group, so perhaps that's an option. I know that Equivset is used both in core and AbuseFilter
[16:23:22] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: Hmm *reads*
[16:23:24] <milimetric>	 oh, great then, I just didn't know about it
[16:27:33] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: Regarding the feedback, if your unsure if you were heard you could try to ping again jdrobson again. - I'm not quite sure what will happen as next steps there.
[16:28:25] <CFisch_WMDE>	 But maybe someone took notice of it already without any further comment..
[16:29:23] <RhinosF1>	 CFisch_WMDE - I'll try that. Thanks for your assistance. I think that's it for today from me.
[16:29:54] <CFisch_WMDE>	 RhinosF1: You're welcome :-)
[16:30:41] <RhinosF1>	 Np
[16:31:29] <CFisch_WMDE>	 milimetric: So hi, yeah I'm also not sure if we might have meet somewhere already :-)
[16:31:45] * CFisch_WMDE <- Christoph Jauera / WMDE-Fisch
[16:32:00] <milimetric>	 :) well, nice to co-host with you
[16:32:15] <CFisch_WMDE>	 Same here :-)
[16:52:06] <superyetkin>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/technical-tool-request/ looks good. Thanks
[16:52:36] <superyetkin>	 is there any way to purge query cache on replica servers?
[16:53:21] <milimetric>	 superyetkin: purge query cache?  Why?
[16:53:34] <Reedy>	 That doesn't even make sense, I think
[16:54:23] <RhinosF1>	 Is recent changes having issues?
[16:54:33] <RhinosF1>	 No Vandalism detection
[16:55:30] <superyetkin>	 Reedy: what do you mean?
[16:55:57] <Reedy>	 What do you mean by "query cache on replica servers" and why do you want to purge it?
[16:56:09] <superyetkin>	 I believe some of my queries are showing outdated results
[16:57:05] <Reedy>	 Depending on the version of mysql (or similar), there is no query cache https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/query-cache.html
[16:57:17] <Reedy>	 Replag, or data inconsistencies (or wrong query) are more likely
[16:57:26] <Reedy>	 Or MW hasn't fully processed some update, depending on what you're actually querying
[16:58:10] <superyetkin>	 for example, I have a query to list uncategorized pages
[16:58:33] <superyetkin>	 somehow, for some artiles, they show up there after the page is edited
[16:58:36] <milimetric>	 superyetkin: yeah, that's more likely replication is a little bit behind, or there's something else wrong with the data
[16:58:57] <milimetric>	 the query cache doesn't result in the server returning invalid results
[16:59:24] <milimetric>	 (if it exists at all, like Reedy said, I think we use MariaDB and I'm not sure if it's still how that works, but it's removed from mysql)
[17:02:34] <superyetkin>	 ok, just reproduced the issue now
[17:02:56] <superyetkin>	 this tool shows the uncategorized pages
[17:02:56] <superyetkin>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/superyetkin/kategorisizsayfalar.php
[17:03:13] <superyetkin>	 as you see, it shows no results
[17:03:23] <superyetkin>	 indeed, this page is uncategorized
[17:03:24] <superyetkin>	 https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6lc%C3%BCk_G%C3%B6l%C3%BC_(Bolu)
[17:03:40] <Reedy>	 That's great, I can also make a page and not post the SQL query and tell you it gets no results
[17:06:01] <milimetric>	 superyetkin: I think what Reedy means is could we please look at the query as well? :)
[17:06:25] <milimetric>	 (I'm in other meetings now but I can peek around and see if I find anything obvious)
[17:06:42] <superyetkin>	 Reedy: no need to be rude, ok?
[17:06:59] <superyetkin>	 I am trying to give as much detail as I can
[17:08:17] <superyetkin>	 here is the query
[17:08:17] <superyetkin>	 SELECT
[17:08:17] <superyetkin>	 page_title,
[17:08:17] <superyetkin>	 page_len
[17:08:17] <superyetkin>	  FROM page
[17:08:18] <superyetkin>	  LEFT JOIN categorylinks
[17:08:18] <superyetkin>	  ON page_id = cl_from
[17:08:19] <superyetkin>	  WHERE cl_from IS NULL
[17:08:19] <superyetkin>	  AND page_namespace = 0
[17:08:20] <superyetkin>	  AND page_is_redirect = 0
[17:08:20] <superyetkin>	  ORDER BY page_len ASC
[17:08:57] <Reedy>	 It's empty on the production servers, FWIW
[17:08:57] <CFisch_WMDE>	 (/me has to leave now see you around, thanks milimetric for joining the meeting )
[17:16:17] <superyetkin>	 it is empty and not correct
[17:16:25] <milimetric>	 superyetkin: I see what you mean
[17:16:27] <milimetric>	 thinking
[17:19:14] <milimetric>	 superyetkin: interesting, so looking at just your example page, there is actually a categorylinks row for it, with cl_to equal to "Arşivlenmesi_gereken_bağlantıya_sahip_kaynak_şablonu_içeren_maddeler     "
[17:19:46] <milimetric>	 superyetkin: so I'm not sure what that says, but is it some general category that's not visible or something?
[17:20:45] <superyetkin>	 yes, invisible
[17:21:25] <milimetric>	 superyetkin: so is there a way to get a list of categories that are invisible, and filter them out from the join?
[17:21:41] <milimetric>	 like, how do you know the category is invisible?
[17:27:17] <superyetkin>	 ok, I will try that
[17:27:31] <superyetkin>	 there is a template to make a category invisible
[17:27:51] <Reedy>	 "Hidden categories are automatically added to Category:Hidden categories. This category is specified in the system message MediaWiki:Hidden-category-category."
[17:40:06] <RhinosF1>	 Where can you request a users tools.wmflabs scripts are taken over by another user. There's some scripts That aren't being manitained anymore but are of use.
[17:40:44] <Reedy>	 File a request in phabricator, ideally CC/notify the current maintainer too
[17:41:12] <RhinosF1>	 Thanks reedy, what topics??
[17:41:45] <Reedy>	 Just "Tools" should be good for starters
[17:42:13] <RhinosF1>	 Thanks
[17:44:28] <RhinosF1>	 Reedy Tools not coming up as a tag
[17:44:55] <andre__>	 then add it later
[17:45:05] <andre__>	 do you have a specific user to take over in mind?
[17:46:03] <andre__>	 RhinosF1: "Toolforge-standards-committee (Maintainer needed)" would be even better
[17:47:57] <RhinosF1>	 No andre_ I don't
[17:49:11] <RhinosF1>	 T217789 is the phap ticket. Won't come up with Snottywong's phab Accounts.
[17:49:11] <stashbot>	 T217789: Unmaintained&broken tools.wmflabs.org scripts that may be of use - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T217789
[17:51:42] <andre__>	 RhinosF1, could you please be more specific in the task summary?
[17:52:02] <andre__>	 One specific issue per ticket. This sounds like random catch-all and never resolvable...
[17:52:32] <andre__>	 ...from reading the topic. Maybe it's not in the task description though.
[17:53:43] <RhinosF1>	 Andre_ what do mean by more specific? Some of the scripts they maintain Don't work and the don't seem to be active or able to fix them.
[17:55:12] <andre__>	 RhinosF1: The task topic is very vague. It says: "Unmaintained&broken tools.wmflabs.org scripts that may be of use"
[17:55:36] <RhinosF1>	 Andre_ What do you suggest it's changed to?
[17:55:41] <andre__>	 It says nothing which specific scripts it is about. Many other tasks could have the very same title. It's not distinguishable.
[17:56:07] <andre__>	 RhinosF1, to mention the name of a specific tool or script.
[17:58:24] <RhinosF1>	 Will change andre_
[17:58:29] <andre__>	 thanks
[18:00:08] <RhinosF1>	 ✅ Done andre_
[18:01:28] <FR30799386_>	 Is there a place where all the extensions and their maintainers are listed ?
[18:01:50] <andre__>	 FR30799386_: define "all" :D
[18:02:00] <andre__>	 A few are listed on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers
[18:02:08] <andre__>	 but not all >2000 extensions, no.
[18:02:19] <FR30799386_>	 PageTriage, FlaggedRevs are the two I want to know.....
[18:03:02] <andre__>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers
[18:03:40] <RhinosF1>	 I've just realised your Aklapper andre_. Why do you get added to all tasks?
[18:04:16] <FR30799386_>	 andre__ Whats code stewardship ?
[18:05:05] <Reedy>	 RhinosF1: He likes having a lot of emails
[18:05:36] <RhinosF1>	 Reedy, ha ha. I was actually wondering that.
[18:07:00] <andre__>	 FR30799386_, something that I'd call "maintainership" and others call "stewardship" :P
[18:07:19] <andre__>	 RhinosF1: I just like getting mail. it makes me feel less lonely, I swear! ;)
[18:08:42] <Reedy>	 "I've got how many emails to go through? I need another beer"
[18:10:06] <RhinosF1>	 Andre_ That's strange, I assumed it was to do with your role.
[18:10:47] <andre__>	 Reedy: Cheers. I gave up counting all those beers needed.
[18:10:57] <andre__>	 RhinosF1: Maybe that's also true, yeah!
[18:18:13] <RhinosF1>	 andre_ Thanks for the help anyway.
[18:19:18] <RhinosF1>	 Reedy andre_ - Do you mind being quoted in future on that? I'll remove needless parts.
[18:19:33] <Reedy>	 Beer isn't needless
[18:19:58] <RhinosF1>	 By needless parts, I mean anything not part of the beer conversation.
[18:20:40] <Reedy>	 What exactly are you wanting to quote and where/for why? :)
[18:23:25] <RhinosF1>	 Reedy - Any time I think I need a laugh or Aklapper being in tasks comes up in conversation.
[18:23:43] <Reedy>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/bash :)
[18:24:20] <RhinosF1>	 This part https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XmIkBiVl/
[18:25:03] <RhinosF1>	 I can put it there reedy
[18:25:18] <andre__>	 IRC is all public anyway... :)
[18:27:24] <RhinosF1>	 This one is andre_
[18:27:44] <RhinosF1>	 You happy reedy
[18:27:51] <Reedy>	 I'm never happy
[18:27:53] <Reedy>	 I'm British
[18:28:53] <RhinosF1>	 I'm also British. Anyway, do you mind?
[18:29:01] <RhinosF1>	 ^ reedy
[18:29:21] <Reedy>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/bash/search?p=0&q=reedy
[18:29:22] <Reedy>	 :)
[18:30:11] <Reedy>	 (it's fine by me)
[18:30:14] <RhinosF1>	 See https://tools.wmflabs.org/bash/quip/AWlURNlefM03vZ1oEumF
[20:24:25] <quiddity>	 RhinosF1, there's a process detailed at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Abandoned_tool_policy 
[20:49:22] <RhinosF1>	 Quiddity - That only works when a new maintainer is known. We don't have a replacement, I'm asking for one.
[20:49:56] <quiddity>	 RhinosF1, ah, my misunderstanding, I thought you were wanting to become the maintainer, I will undo my changes.
[20:57:37] <RhinosF1>	 Quiddity - Does it still need to be marked as stalled?
[20:58:06] <quiddity>	 fixed! thanks again
[20:58:41] <RhinosF1>	 Quiddity - np
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