[00:56:37] Does MediaWiki or any of the WMF libraries have an abstraction over getting system time? [00:56:58] One that does not use global functions [00:57:10] Something like this thing https://github.com/lcobucci/clock [01:04:55] MWTimestamp class is what mediawiki core generally uses [01:06:01] bawolff: how can I get time without doing a global call using MWTimestamp? [01:06:43] Looking at the code this does not seem possible [01:06:45] How can you do anything without using some sort of global system? [01:06:48] *symbol [01:07:17] By injecting a well seggregated interface like https://github.com/lcobucci/clock/blob/master/src/Clock.php [01:07:57] That example is literally calling a global constructor [01:08:10] I'm trying to create a sane abstraction over the not-sane StatsdDataFactoryInterface, which apparently is used without any such sane-making-adapter in MW so far. Need time access for that [01:08:24] What example? [01:08:32] In the page you linked [01:08:36] ??? [01:08:41] I linked an interface [01:09:02] So in the class where you need the time you require an implementation of the thing in the constructor [01:10:25] oh, well i only looked at your first link, which was doing a whole bunch of new FrozenClock() type things [01:11:56] bawolff: so MW does not have anything like that? [01:12:25] MW assumes that times are generally passed as a string in MW timestamp format [01:12:42] Is it possible to install PHP 7.0 packages on WMF servers? Assuming the package does not have any of the non-supported PHP 7.0 features? In other words, will >=7.0 in composer.josn prevent package installation on WMF servers? [01:12:59] Considering we're not running PHP 7 in prod yet... [01:13:17] HHVM thinks it's 5.6.99 [01:13:19] The closest we have to a base abstraction over timestamps is probably ConvertibleTimestamp (from wikimedia/timestamp package) which doesn't seem to be what you're looking for [01:13:19] bawolff: I don't care about the format. I care about getting the time without binding to global resources [01:13:41] bawolff: thanks, I'll check that [01:14:06] Yeah indeed not [01:14:33] Uggh. [01:14:59] The 5.6 requirement is getting really annoying. Can't use any modern libraries [01:15:00] I mean, if you just want an interface without a concrete implementation, just add an IConvertibleTimestamp interface to the timestamp thing [01:15:57] bawolff: that does not really work. The thing represents a time. getting a time is a different responsibility [01:16:14] Also I don't need a cnvertible thing or whatever. Just the time [01:17:25] So you want to have something that gets you an object that implements an interface to get the current time [01:18:02] so that you don't depend on wfTimestamp() or php gmtime() or whatever [01:18:40] I'll be honest, in my opinion that's going off the abstraction deep end [01:18:49] I want to do BASIC oo [01:18:52] Very BASIC [01:18:54] https://pastebin.com/tbiMTgPL [01:20:38] Out of purism? Or do you actually expect to have different types of Clocks that you might have to replace the implementation and be abstract over it [01:24:54] bawolff: tests are one case [01:25:07] In the WMF code you linked before there was some static $fakeWhatever field [01:25:16] So yeah, you can use global function and poke at global state [01:25:22] yeah, i suppose that could be useful in tests [01:25:23] I'm not doing that [01:36:15] Reɑԁ wһɑt IRC іnⅴestіɡatⅰᴠe joᥙrnɑⅼistѕ havе uncоᴠеrᥱԁ ഠn thе freeᥒοde рᥱdopһilіa scandal https:᜵／enϲуϲⅼoрeԁⅰɑԁrɑmaticɑ.rѕ/ᖴrеenഠdegatᥱ [01:47:16] Reedy: this is really insane: if I want to write new code that WMF can run I need to use a version of PHPUnit that stopped being supported over half a year ago :D [01:47:22] I mean... wtf??? [01:48:12] Meh. 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