[15:00:34] <chiborg>	 Hello everyone! 
[15:01:11] <chiborg>	 Who's here for the Technical Advice IRC meeting?
[15:01:16] <leszek_wmde>	 o/
[15:01:56] <darkblue_b>	 hmm I am lurking.. 
[15:02:51] <darkblue_b>	 .. I work on a geospatial developers Linux .. and WMF input is always welcome.. in particular interested in WMF use of the Jupyter stack 
[15:06:42] <chiborg>	 darkblue_b Interesting ... As far as I can tell, the devs at WMDE don't use Jupyter, personally I had a look at it 3 years ago while working an a paper on hashing algorithms.
[15:09:32] <darkblue_b>	 well, the literacy is growing.. its popular at school (Berkeley) and elsewhere for "data science"
[15:10:18] <legoktm>	 hi! I finally made it to one of these meetings
[15:10:44] <darkblue_b>	 haha! well.. there it is 
[15:10:55] * darkblue_b waves to legoktm
[15:11:00] <legoktm>	 o/
[15:16:07] <leszek_wmde>	 We're here for 45 more minutes to answer all your wildest questions!
[15:16:50] <DanielK_WMDE>	 darkblue_b: WMDE doesn't use Jupyter, but WMF does: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/PAWS
[15:17:08] <darkblue_b>	 yes indeed
[15:17:58] <DanielK_WMDE>	 but this was mostly a one-man-project, and Yuvi is gone :(  afaik he's working for Jupyter now :D
[15:18:16] <darkblue_b>	 true
[15:18:26] * chicocvenancio is maintaining PAWS
[15:18:38] <DanielK_WMDE>	 oh, good to know!
[15:18:38] <darkblue_b>	 ah = making a note of that
[15:19:02] <chicocvenancio>	 would love help, btw
[15:19:27] <darkblue_b>	 after osgeolive 12 ships, we can talk :p
[15:19:37] <chicocvenancio>	 I've setup a beta instance and being chipping away on the bugs in there
[15:19:47] <darkblue_b>	 I am not an auth person :-)
[15:20:14] <darkblue_b>	 .. educational materials.. literate programming things.. 
[15:20:37] <chicocvenancio>	 well, even opening issues and proposing ideas is a big help
[15:20:43] <darkblue_b>	 gotcha
[15:21:13] * chicocvenancio has to move afk, will be on mobile. ping if necessary
[15:21:37] <darkblue_b>	 thank you
[15:30:29] <darkblue_b>	 so legoktm , I want to thank you for looking at our MediaWiki instance last year..  wiki.osgeo.org
[15:30:49] <darkblue_b>	 .. I am not on the SAC but as you know, there have been security problems.. thx very much for looking
[15:31:27] <darkblue_b>	 thx to all here, too.. I do not get to do WMDE enough
[15:31:49] <leszek_wmde>	 thanks darkblue_b
[15:32:12] <leszek_wmde>	 We're half way in. Feel free to bring up all technical questions that are bothering you
[15:32:37] <leszek_wmde>	 Special offer today, except English, we take and answer questions in German, Finnish and Polish!
[15:33:49] <darkblue_b>	 "Zeit un Raum existieren nur in unserem Kopf, aber .. wo Zum Teufel ist mein Abendessen !"
[15:34:01] <darkblue_b>	 .. thats my only German joke :-)
[15:50:01] <tgr>	 darkblue_b: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/SWAP is used regularly by WMF analysts
[15:51:24] <leszek_wmde>	 So last 10 minutes call!
[15:51:52] <leszek_wmde>	 Wanna get you MediaWiki installed fixed? Wanna get Wikibase up and running? Feel free to ask!
[15:52:19] <leszek_wmde>	 Everyone seem to enjoying the sun and heat as we do, apparently
[15:53:31] <tgr>	 do people who tend to give technical advice on IRC hang out here or at #mediawiki?
[15:54:15] <tgr>	 I've just set up a bot to announce new Wikimedia Developer Support questions on #mediawiki, wondering if this is a better place
[15:54:16] <darkblue_b>	 tgr thx
[15:55:19] <leszek_wmde>	 tgr: good question! I actually think this channel is not that active in general
[15:55:48] <leszek_wmde>	 I mean, e.g. #wikimedia-dev seem to be more busy in my experience
[15:56:10] <leszek_wmde>	 but I am mostly in those channels during Europe day time, so this is of course quite a subjective observation
[15:56:28] <leszek_wmde>	 cool idea with the bot btw tgr
[16:01:07] <chiborg>	 Aaaaand that's it for today. Have fun in the sun.
[16:01:45] <leszek_wmde>	 Thanks everyone for being with us. See you next time!
[16:19:08] <DanielK_WMDE>	 legoktm: #wikimedia-dev is mainly buisy with wikibugs reporting stuff, in my experience
[16:21:20] <legoktm>	 DanielK_WMDE: ohai. 
[16:22:20] <legoktm>	 tgr: both I think. #mediawiki is more for MediaWiki related questions, while -tech is for Wikimedia stuff. There's a big overlap of course
[16:22:41] <DanielK_WMDE>	 legoktm: oh. that was for leszek, but he left, so... lost in autocomplete ;)
[16:23:10] <legoktm>	 :P
[17:50:56] <Nemo_bis>	 tgr: bots were forced out of #mediawiki, so you should supposedly use #mediawiki-feed
[17:51:29] <Nemo_bis>	 Otherwise I'd rather have our old MediaWiki-only wikibugs messages in #mediawiki :) 
[17:52:44] <Krenair>	 Isn't sending to #mediawiki-feed is like piping to /dev/null?
[17:52:57] <tgr>	 indeed
[17:53:38] <tgr>	 and the bot shows questions from actual humans, so it is relevant IMO
[17:53:56] <Krenair>	 The majority of stuff going through Jenkins and Phabricator is actual humans
[17:54:00] <Nemo_bis>	 AFAIK bugs are also made by humans, generally
[17:54:20] <Krenair>	 er
[17:54:23] <Krenair>	 Gerrit and Phabricator
[17:54:25] <Krenair>	 with the exception of one or two bug filing bots and jenkins-bot
[17:54:32] <Krenair>	 anyway
[17:54:38] <Nemo_bis>	 And #mediawiki-feed was allegedly considered a viable alternative for human consumers of the feeds
[17:54:39] <Krenair>	 I think that's low enough traffic that people won't notice
[17:55:02] <Nemo_bis>	 If we suddenly realised that it serves no purpose, the bugs should return where they were :) 
[17:56:02] <Krenair>	 certainly I have no objection to it right now as a channel op :p
[18:04:49] <legoktm>	 [10:52:44] <Krenair> Isn't sending to #mediawiki-feed is like piping to /dev/null? <-- there are 8 humans in that channel, and at least I read it regularly :)
[18:05:50] <Krenair>	 ok
[18:05:51] <Krenair>	 btw
[18:05:54] <Krenair>	 found in -feed ACL
[18:05:55] <Krenair>	 -ChanServ- 7     gerrit-wm!~gerrit-wm@manganese.wikimedia.org +V [modified 5y 49w 1d ago]
[18:05:55] <Krenair>	 -ChanServ- 8     codurr!mwbot@willow.toolserver.org +V [modified 5y 49w 1d ago]
[18:05:57] <Krenair>	 -ChanServ- 9     mw-jenkinsbot!~PircBotx@gallium.wikimedia.org +V [modified 5y 49w 1d ago]
[18:12:03] <legoktm>	 RIP toolserver :)
[18:12:22] <mutante>	 the cycle is: no bots, bots get added to channel, somebody says there are too many bots, somebody says a -feed channel would fix it, nobody uses the feed channel, start at beginning
[18:13:19] * legoktm quips
[18:13:45] <legoktm>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/bash/quip/AWOyQVWee0jClLAO5zo1
[18:23:44] <DanielK_WMDE>	 slow page is slow
[18:46:11] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Ruslik0; /* JavaScript issues on Wikimedia wikis */ +2; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=18090204&oldid=18085204&rcid=11943773
[19:09:02] <ragesoss>	 I have a guided tour that, at the end, links back to an external URL (the one that the user launched the tour from, which is hardcoded in the tour JS). I'd like to be able to use this same tour code with a different URL at the end. Is there a good way to do that, instead of just copying and duplicating the entire tour?
[19:11:51] <ragesoss>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Guidedtour-tour-wikiedtalkpage.js