[15:25:09] <darkblue_b>	 hi all - I revisted here after a long while last Friday, and thought all was well.. however, I go to wikitech now, and the login is failing
[15:26:25] <darkblue_b>	 my ID at wikitech should be darkblueb  with no punctuation or special characters.. that is what I see in my note. . there are a few minor variations on this across my world, so sometimes I get caught on that
[15:26:44] <andre__>	 failing how?
[15:27:00] <darkblue_b>	 "Incorrect login or password entered"
[15:28:06] <andre__>	 darkblue_b: and you're sharing this because...? :)
[15:28:35] <darkblue_b>	 I want to make sure my login is darkblueb  -- no special characters, for one.. 
[15:28:41] <andre__>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Darkblueb does not say "User account not registered" so I guess that user exists.
[15:32:16] <darkblue_b>	 ok  -secondly, when I signed up for this years ago... my account recovery email address was a "dot-mac" address.. Apple has since deprecated this, and I may not be able to send from "dot-mac" .. I believe I still recv emails addressed that way, but Apple wants new sent emails to be icloud
[15:32:56] <darkblue_b>	 in other words, I send emails at   someacct@icloud.com  which gets emails  someacct@mac.com
[15:33:24] <darkblue_b>	 I will ask for a password recovery now, but I dont think I wrote it wrong since last Friday
[15:34:43] <darkblue_b>	 ok andre__  when I ask for password recovery, I get "There is no user by the name "darkblueb". Usernames are case sensitive"
[15:34:52] <darkblue_b>	 that is what I asked you
[15:36:39] <darkblue_b>	 I an get on the BART and go to SF and present an ID if that is faster
[15:38:09] <darkblue_b>	 wait -- where is this login.. I am on https://www.mediawiki.org
[15:38:27] <darkblue_b>	 is that the same as wikitech.wikimedia.org ?
[15:38:34] <darkblue_b>	 same login ?
[15:38:49] <darkblue_b>	 my old Wikipedia login might be different
[15:39:24] <darkblue_b>	 its not !
[15:41:01] <darkblue_b>	 so Capital D - Darkblueb  and the pwd  works on wikitech
[15:41:22] <darkblue_b>	 apparently I search in the search bar on wikitech, and silently went to a wikipedia page ?
[15:41:37] <darkblue_b>	 this is not at all clear if those are different logins
[15:42:07] <Reedy>	 wikitech is seperate to the wikipedias et al
[15:42:49] <darkblue_b>	 could you mention that to andre__ ?
[15:43:16] <Reedy>	 Pretty sure he's aware ;)
[15:43:42] <darkblue_b>	 wellmaybe next time he could keep that in mind if someone is having a problem logging in.. instead of "why are you -sharing- this"
[15:43:58] <darkblue_b>	 ..which is the reply I got, followed by silence
[15:44:54] <darkblue_b>	 ok - onward.. I would like to visit the paws system
[15:45:03] <darkblue_b>	 it says login with wiki-something
[15:45:07] <darkblue_b>	 which login is that ?
[15:45:45] <darkblue_b>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/
[15:47:52] <quiddity>	 darkblue_b, only wikitech is different (generally). All other wikis (wikipedia, meta, wiktionary, etc) share a common user/pw.
[15:48:37] <darkblue_b>	 ok thx
[15:53:49] <darkblue_b>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org   claims to not know   Darkblueb  darkblueb  darkblue_b  .. I do not see anything about ordinary wikipedia in my notes here now. I do not log in to Wikipedia much but I certainly have
[15:54:05] <darkblue_b>	 .. whats a good way to proceed
[15:54:21] <darkblue_b>	 apparently the logins ARE case sensitive
[15:56:14] <darkblue_b>	 here is my original toollabs request  https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shell_Request/Darkblueb
[15:56:28] <darkblue_b>	  1 October 2014
[15:56:54] <darkblue_b>	 courtesy google
[16:02:55] <darkblue_b>	 honestly, after being immediately and summarily reverted on Wikipedia for the Nth time, i think I gave up trying to edit anything, and no longer log in there.. 
[16:03:11] <andre__>	 darkblue_b: No need to accuse me of making fun of you. "and you're sharing this because...?" was an honest question of mine.
[16:03:30] <darkblue_b>	 onward with the constructive engagement, with me
[16:05:36] <darkblue_b>	 same login and passwd is ok on both systems ?
[16:06:49] <darkblue_b>	 ok! seems to work
[16:08:38] <darkblue_b>	 er.. I guess I am hitting all the bumps today .. I am here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PAWS
[16:08:55] <darkblue_b>	 and .. logged in to both wikitech and wikipedia .. and yet.. "not logged in" ?
[16:09:30] <darkblue_b>	 ok - click LogIn explicitly, wait 2 seconds, and it changes
[16:09:41] <darkblue_b>	 but not before.. my fault right ?
[16:09:52] <darkblue_b>	 anyway.. happy to see it working, truly
[16:10:27] <darkblue_b>	 this may be a case where the regulars just dont see this, since they are logged into everything all the time, days on end.. just a guess
[16:12:29] <darkblue_b>	 ok - next step.. I am on an OAUTH stage
[16:12:42] <darkblue_b>	 .. PAWS needs permission .. 
[16:13:01] <darkblue_b>	 fine with ME.. If any of YOU need to say ok, thats what is on the screen now
[16:13:21] <Reedy>	 No, we don't
[16:13:29] <darkblue_b>	 ok thx
[16:14:28] <darkblue_b>	 .. your server is starting up .. note  paws/hub/user/darkblueb/   <= lowercase
[16:15:09] <darkblue_b>	 !! hurray !!  it seems to be open.. 
[16:15:22] <darkblue_b>	 all kidding aside, this is super.. I am really interested to see how this goes
[16:17:55] <darkblue_b>	 I guess its  mwapi  mwcli mwdb   from python
[16:18:39] <darkblue_b>	 super - ok I will learn more.. I am glad that this is  worked out now, and I do appreciate MWF 
[16:21:32] <andre__>	 darkblue_b: Could you please stop sending me private messages and continuing to accuse me of making fun of you? Thank you.
[16:21:51] <andre__>	 As I wrote before, it was an honest question of mine. I did not know what you ask for. Resetting a password, finding out a username, something else.
[16:22:30] <darkblue_b>	 if what you want to do is solve problems, then context is important.. its a rare skill to be able to see someone elses screen from afar, so quickly without asking anything
[16:22:50] <andre__>	 I'm used to a rather direct and straight style of communication. Other cultures might be used to different styles.
[16:23:00] <darkblue_b>	 if the wikitech login and all other logins are differnt, isnt that germane ?
[16:23:21] <andre__>	 And I've also done "FOSS for decades", no worries. :)
[16:23:31] <darkblue_b>	 suggested question -- what URL are you trying to use  to login ?
[16:23:40] <andre__>	 darkblue_b: Assuming that people mean well is welcome. Thanks.
[16:23:48] <darkblue_b>	 no worries