[15:06:52] <eddiegp>	 _joe_: Hey, hope you had a great vacation. I finally managed to test and update those apache changes from December. Do you know when you'll have time to review/test/merge those?
[15:07:18] <_joe_>	 great q!
[15:07:37] <_joe_>	 not sure, I just got back and I've got my hands pretty full
[15:12:39] <eddiegp>	 I'd just like to be around to test them on mwdebu / when they're deployed.
[15:13:16] <eddiegp>	 I'll be mostly home for the rest of the week. My summer term starts next Monday, which will have a bit of an impact on my availability unfortunately. Not saying it must be this week though, just wanted you to know.
[15:13:56] <_joe_>	 I'll try to make it work, but no promises, sorry. I have a couple things to nail down which are time-sensitive
[15:14:54] <eddiegp>	 No problem, just ping me when you know.
[15:35:21] <Bencemac>	 Hello there! Could somebody help me to find the best developer for this task? I'd be very grateful. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183804
[15:43:56] <eddiegp>	 Lydia_WMDE: Can you help with that? ^
[16:14:17] <jynus>	 Does the paging work well for everyone else, or is it my system: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Redirects_from_Unicode_characters ?
[16:15:10] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 jynus: it's broken
[16:15:37] <jynus>	 I assume trying to page with certain unicode chars?
[16:15:56] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 i don't know, i can just confirm that it doesn't work for me either
[16:16:14] <jynus>	 cool, will search phab for a duplicate and report otherwise
[16:16:15] <jynus>	 thanks
[16:17:00] <jynus>	 I think it is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76625
[16:18:15] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 jynus: i found the reason. 
[16:18:20] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_Unicode&action=edit
[16:18:30] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 <!-- The above redirect category sorts to the tilde (~) as discussed on the talk page.
[16:18:52] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 I suppose paging is based on the sort key, not sourt key + title, as it should be
[16:19:17] <jynus>	 ah, makes sense
[16:19:18] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 so it's not a unicode issue. it'S an issue with Paging Done Wrong (tm)
[16:19:36] <jynus>	 which maybe intended as I remember some db perfomance issues
[16:19:40] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 paging MUST always use a unique key. There is a ton of places where that isn't the case, sadly
[16:20:08] <jynus>	 as most pages do not share the sort key
[16:20:20] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 right
[16:20:27] <jynus>	 (entries in a page, but you get the idea)
[16:20:44] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 jynus: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48508
[16:21:02] <jynus>	 thanks, that is the right one
[16:21:33] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 though that ticket refers to pages relying on the timestamp
[16:21:46] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 category sort key is a lot worse. it'S a lot more likely to go wrong.
[16:21:48] <jynus>	 not sure if that is even valid anymore
[16:22:06] <jynus>	 I will give it a careful look, don't worry
[16:22:25] <jynus>	 I think it is not a big deal, but it should be documented as a known limitation
[16:23:08] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 maybe the template could be fixed to use ~ plus the title as the sort key
[16:23:33] <jynus>	 I know enwiki is now rebuilding its index, so I will wait for that to finish
[17:00:36] <Lydia_WMDE>	 eddiegp: sorry only saw it now. will have a look
[17:01:11] <eddiegp>	 Lydia_WMDE: Daniel had a look in the meantime and commented on the task.
[17:01:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ah ok cool
[17:01:27] <eddiegp>	 It's probably not wikidata-related.
[17:01:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 great. i love those :D
[17:02:27] <eddiegp>	 "Product managers lo
[17:02:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[17:02:36] <eddiegp>	 ve tasks that aren#t in their product"
[17:02:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 indeed indeed
[17:14:38] <eddiegp>	 Lydia_WMDE: It's hard to find you btw. I've navigated to mw.o, page 'Wikidata', which redirects to 'Wikibase' (which does not have a hint who maintains it). Then I looked at 'Maintainers', which gave a link to 'WMDE_Engineering' for wikibase, which then said 'We have a new website at https://software.wikimedia.de". At that website I then go to "Our Department" and have nice photos of everybody, but
[17:14:40] <eddiegp>	 get no idea what their wiki username, leave alone IRC handle, is.
[17:15:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 eddiegp: indeed. we were just talking a few hours ago about needing to fix that
[17:15:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 It's on Léa's todo list now to improve
[17:15:39] <eddiegp>	 Nice :)
[23:04:51] <bawolff>	 there's some network issues right now