[00:00:37] Heya. [00:01:46] drewmutt: Every single page in Drafts: is both "live" and findable through third party search engines (though often bigger ones like Google respect the robot.txt policy, you can't rely on it for legal purposes). The only not-publish method we have is deletion. [00:02:49] Right, right, I guess I'm contrasting the "technical" from the "practically perceived". [21:22:32] Still trying to get a template working [21:22:33] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/34 [21:22:46] This LEAKS a paragraph somehow and shouldn't [21:23:16] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/33 [21:23:18] doesn#t [21:23:33] DEPSITE IDENTICAL HTML code supposedly being generated [21:24:02] Can someone else PLEASE compare the intended logic in the relevant sections and tell me where I've failed logically? [21:32:01] because it's seemingly impossible to have mediawiki behave CONSISTENTLY [21:37:18] where does what leak some paragraph? [21:41:54] It leaks it at the start of the page [21:41:59] after the no include [21:42:09] I use the same code in a previous page [21:42:26] and there is no leak of a paragraph [21:42:26] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/33 [21:42:45] One generates a leaking paragraph, the other doesn't [21:43:17] In BOTH instance it should be wrapping P tags around text [21:43:40] In the former it's adding in a paragraph tag, in the latter it's not [21:43:59] Adding in an additional paragraph tag [21:44:41] I've said on NUMEROUS previous occassions expecting contributors to know very precise white-spacing rules is unreasonable [21:45:19] So I'd really like to know where a template, that SHOULD not be adding in additional whitespace in ANY form is doing so [21:45:44] Especially as I've re-built the underlying template several times [21:55:21] so where to actually see the missing paragraph? [21:55:25] ShakespeareFan02, ^ [21:55:35] how do you know that it's not just a paragraph that nobody ever ended? [21:55:49] Because I am looking at the code [21:56:04] ShakespeareFan02, what code? [21:56:09] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Cl-act-paragraph [21:56:31] The paragraph generation in sequence terms should be identical [21:56:32] ShakespeareFan02, and I am looking at https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/34&action=edit [21:56:38] Yes [21:56:41] and I do not see any text for the fifth paragraph. [21:56:54] So I still wonder what makes you think that anyone ever entered that paragraph on that page. [21:57:20] As you say that it exists, I'd expect that you know some different way to see it. [21:57:46] Odd [21:57:49] I see no "{{cl-act-paragraph/2|s1=44|s2=5" on https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/34&action=edit [21:57:50] That text should be there [21:58:23] so what makes you think that any code misbehaves? [21:59:07] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/34 [21:59:09] Try now [21:59:22] It seems firefox did an edit that lost that text [21:59:36] Try now what? [21:59:47] andre__: Try reloading the page [22:00:01] ShakespeareFan02, to see what? [22:00:10] a missing paragraph? [22:00:18] Let's start again [22:00:22] for the THIRD time [22:00:32] Listen carefully [22:00:41] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/34 [22:00:44] If you yell at me like that I will not. [22:00:52] Yeah. I am on that page. [22:00:54] andre__: I'm not yelling [22:00:59] Im just frustrated [22:01:01] ShakespeareFan02, you are. [22:01:06] Anyway [22:01:09] ShakespeareFan02, then calm down and change your tone. Thanks. [22:01:20] On https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/34 [22:01:22] CAPITAL LETTERS ARE YELLING ON THE INTERWEBS. Just so you know. [22:02:00] There should be a single line between the header and the start of the paragraph starting with "(5)".. [22:02:02] yeah.....? [22:02:09] There appear to be two [22:02:34] no? [22:02:35] Or at least when I show pilcrow marks to show the start of paragraphs I see two marks [22:02:50] indicating a blank paragraph is being inserted [22:03:09] By comparision, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/33 [22:03:25] at the start of the opage after the header, I am only seeing a single pilcrow marking [22:03:34] so only one paragraph [22:03:55] Somewhere my underlying code is generating an additional paragraph that it shouldn't be [22:04:05] I cannot currently figure out where that is [22:05:05] because the code in the template which generates this, should not be generating a blank paragraph [22:05:16] So something is "leaking" [22:05:37] I'm exceptionally frustrated as I've re-written that template several times [22:06:40] And it's ONLY doing it at the start of a page [22:06:50] Compare (5) , (6), (7) etc... [22:07:00] which should be calling the exact same template code [22:09:22] At this point I'm having to sadly conclude my template must be wrong [22:09:47] but before I redo a LOT of content, I'd like to know why mediawiki isn't coping [22:10:10] with what should be reasonably straightforward paragraph wrapping. [22:11:15] because I can't having re-written the the relevant template several times, [22:11:20] find a logical flaw [22:37:15] andre__: Something else [22:37:33] In my template logic is being stripped out [22:37:53] So I am seriously thinking about just nuking the entire template [22:38:10] with the reason that it's too complex for mediwiki to understand [22:50:34] andre__: [22:50:38] Apolgies [22:50:40] The leak [22:50:55] turned out to be in an entirely different template [23:02:15] ShakespeareFan00: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:RunningHeader ? [23:02:17] Or which one? [23:02:32] Ah well. [23:29:18] Okay when did the parser start to strip blank spans? [23:29:19] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Representation_of_the_Peoples_Act_1918_(ukpga_19180064).pdf/1 [23:29:34] I've tracked the logic all the way down [23:29:44] and I KNOW my template is supplying a good parameter [23:30:00] But on inspecting the relevant elements [23:30:23] I fail to see the relevant in the paragraphs concerned. [23:31:00] When I use the relevant template DIRECTLY it generates the appropriate HTML [23:34:35] So still a little puzzled. [23:43:27] I have changed my mind. Bank of America is no longer the most aashole bank in the country. It is now tied for this distinction with Synchrony Bank.