[00:10:18] <srdjan_m>	 Hi. Can someone help me figure out how I managed to get the expansion depth to 41? I copied over this template https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_tennis_biography -- which is currently at 14/40 -- and my version https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0ablon:Infokutija_teniser -- is at 41/40.
[00:12:15] <srdjan_m>	 does the /doc subpage fill that up?
[15:21:06] <ipatrol>	 Hello? I'm getting a problem with using the visual editor
[15:21:09] <ipatrol>	 *source editor
[15:22:03] <ipatrol>	 I've set my editor preference to the source editor, but the "Edit" tab links to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&veaction=editsource
[15:25:10] <ipatrol>	 Where can I find the history of which revisions have been brought online on the English Wikipedia?
[15:29:09] <Dysklyver>	 have you tried clearing you cache?
[15:29:27] <Dysklyver>	 (dumb question ik, but good to check)
[15:30:43] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: repeatedly
[15:32:45] <ipatrol>	 brb
[15:34:10] <Dysklyver>	 ok
[15:37:36] <Dysklyver>	 try in a different browser maybe, make sure your browser is up to date, log in out of your account, (normal IT help routine) if no joy then file a bug report.
[15:44:05] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: it works when I'm logged out
[15:44:41] <ipatrol>	 Let me see if disabling the beta features does it
[15:45:33] <Dysklyver>	 make sure the "Automatically enable all new beta features" checkbox is unticked
[15:45:46] <ipatrol>	 ah, thanks
[15:46:20] <Dysklyver>	 as a last resort there is also Special:Preferences/reset
[15:46:23] <ipatrol>	 nope, still doing it
[15:47:02] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: ah, reset fixed it
[15:47:47] <Dysklyver>	 hey cool
[15:47:52] <ipatrol>	 now try to re-enable my gadgets one by one
[15:47:57] <Dysklyver>	 lol
[15:47:59] <ipatrol>	 *trying
[15:48:18] <Dysklyver>	 yeah slightly arduous to do that
[15:51:46] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: well I can do a binary search algorithm, disable and enable halves of them until I find the source of the problem
[15:52:05] <Dysklyver>	 oo
[15:52:09] <Dysklyver>	 sounds good
[15:52:24] <ipatrol>	 Ok, so it's not the gadgets
[15:53:06] <Dysklyver>	 I am sure someone in the dev team will eventually spot it, so don't worry too much if you can't reproduce the issue
[15:53:59] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: one hopes
[15:54:19] <ipatrol>	 But if everyone thinks the same way, then no one will ever find it
[15:56:02] <Dysklyver>	 fair point that
[15:56:10] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: found the culprit: "New Wikitext Mode" in the Beta features
[15:57:18] <Dysklyver>	 oh that does not suprise me
[15:58:13] <Dysklyver>	 it basically enables VE, then uses a source editor-esq mode inside it, so you can use the VE toolbar on the source editor
[15:58:38] <Dysklyver>	 which is a great idea, but crashes a tad when I use it
[15:59:03] <Dysklyver>	 (disclaimer, I haven't used it for a few months, it may be better now)
[16:00:16] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: apparently not
[16:00:32] <ipatrol>	 Since it also breaks wikEd
[16:00:49] <Dysklyver>	 oh
[16:02:12] <jeblad>	 A user at nowiki reported that the "Watch this page" check box on the edit page has stopped working. I can't reproduce this, is there anyone that has any knowledge about this?
[16:02:35] <Dysklyver>	 ipatrol: general feedback to the devs --> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/2017_wikitext_editor/Feedback
[16:02:55] <NotASpy>	 that's more WikiEd not working with the new VisualEditor Source Editor, rather than the new VisualEditor Source Editor not working with WikiEd, if that makes sense, ipatrol. 
[16:03:09] <jeblad>	 Stopped working like you do some editing, checks of "Warch this page", and then the page isn't added to the watchlist.
[16:03:44] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: No, the confusing part is that it's clashing with the pref's choice of how to handle the "Edit" link
[16:04:13] <Dysklyver>	 what browser?
[16:04:16] <ipatrol>	 That it doesn't work with wikEd just happens to be the thing that got me started on this saga
[16:04:21] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: FF 48
[16:04:36] <Dysklyver>	 um, isn't that like two years out of date?
[16:04:57] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: it's still the one in the Ubuntu repositories
[16:05:31] <ipatrol>	 ...or isn't it
[16:06:19] <Dysklyver>	 my terribly old mostly broken version of firefox from the opensuse repo is still v 49 :P
[16:07:24] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: I might have messed up my repositories
[16:07:53] <ipatrol>	 But I do know that my installation on Windows is up-to-date, and I hate it
[16:08:02] <Dysklyver>	 I would not necessarily put it down to your browser, but would recommend updating for security reasons etc etc
[16:08:17] <Dysklyver>	 I use google chrome as my main browser
[16:08:26] <Dysklyver>	 so i have an excuse :D
[16:08:35] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: I hate Chrome for the same reason I hate the new FF
[16:09:59] <Dysklyver>	 I don't mind it myself, I am resigned to the fact google/MI5/NSA/BT/etc are logging all my browsing history, and it basically works
[16:10:27] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: I hate it for that reason too, but that's not primarily why I dislike it
[16:11:16] <Dysklyver>	 whats your main reason?
[16:12:38] <ipatrol>	 Dysklyver: I like the old Firefox UI, and there is no way to materially change that UI without XUL extensions
[16:13:58] <Dysklyver>	 oh I see
[16:14:10] <Dysklyver>	 fair enough I guess
[16:14:23] <Dysklyver>	 I am not overly worried about browser UI
[16:16:51] <ipatrol>	 Gonna change to 56, which is still supported, and is apparently the last good version
[16:17:47] <ipatrol>	 Apparently something caused Apt to think that the 48 build I had was *newer* than 56 or even 58
[16:18:34] <Dysklyver>	 yeah that's odd
[16:21:42] <ipatrol>	 bbl
[18:49:46] <Zoranzoki21>	 Hi
[18:49:55] <Zoranzoki21>	 Again publish jobs have problems
[18:50:48] <Zoranzoki21>	 See integration.wikimedia.org/zuul
[18:51:13] <paladox>	 Zoranzoki21 releng maintains that :)
[18:51:32] <Zoranzoki21>	 aha. ok. /JOIN #wikimedia-releng
[18:51:55] <paladox>	 Zoranzoki21 also it looks to me like postmerge is working
[18:52:05] <paladox>	 just they are limited to how many slaves they run on
[18:52:15] <paladox>	 since priority is given to tests and gate and submit
[22:01:31] <quiddity>	 Platonides, Matthew_ let's migrate to here to avoid distractions in the other channel?  The relevant old task is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153006
[22:01:38] <Matthew_>	 Fair enough.
[22:01:55] <Matthew_>	 I'm getting into Gmail now to look (yay 2fa)
[22:02:35] <quiddity>	 :>  I tried looking for your upstream bugnumber, but either I have to have an apple account (I don't) or it's private to you. :/
[22:03:05] <Matthew_>	 Yeah I don't know what's going on there, I filed the bug and didn't hear anything back except "linked to another fixed bug"
[22:03:09] <Matthew_>	 Obviously that's not fixed.  
[22:03:43] <Matthew_>	 Gmail displays it properly.
[22:04:09] <Matthew_>	 And it appears to be downloaded.
[22:04:25] <Platonides>	 maybe you can upload a sample to the task?
[22:04:44] <Platonides>	 (these digests seem public content)
[22:05:03] <Matthew_>	 I might.  
[22:05:09] <Matthew_>	 I can drag and drop.  
[22:05:21] <Platonides>	 also, does Apple mail allow viewing the email source?
[22:05:30] <Platonides>	 I suspect it is mangling them at one point
[22:05:55] <Platonides>	 those X-Apple-Content-Length were probably added after downloading the original
[22:06:28] <Matthew_>	 Yes.  Source is intact from what I can tell.
[22:06:54] <Platonides>	 I also wonder if it may be corruption in your local folder store
[22:07:18] <Matthew_>	 If there was, it would apply to more messages right?  I mean I could try a repair operation but...
[22:07:34] <Platonides>	 I don't know their internals
[22:07:45] <Platonides>	 but it could be a problem just on that folder
[22:07:59] <Platonides>	 and if you have a rule that sends these digests there…
[22:08:05] <quiddity>	 Is it 100% of all digests, in many mailing lists? I wonder if the signature.asc is somehow creating issues. They're likely to only appear in wikitech-l digests..
[22:08:45] <quiddity>	 (that's just a wild guess though)
[22:08:53] <Platonides>	 also, does Apple Mail support PGP?
[22:09:00] <Platonides>	 natively of through a plugin?
[22:09:06] <Matthew_>	 It is only my two digests.
[22:09:21] <Matthew_>	 All regular emails are going through fine.  Just wikimedia-l and wikitech-l digests.
[22:09:32] <Platonides>	 I know that GnuPG OL needs to do some dirty changes in order to work on Outlook
[22:09:53] <quiddity>	 consider changing to non-digest?  digests create broken threads when you try to reply!  [pet peeve ;) ]
[22:10:31] <Matthew_>	 I only idle on the digests for notifications anyway, but yeah I may.  My issue is the sheer flood of email of wikitech-l and wikimedia-l
[22:11:19] <legoktm>	 related to PGP/MIME: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186311
[22:11:20] <Platonides>	 use rules and threaded views
[22:11:40] <Matthew_>	 Ok I've filed with Apple, and will go from there.  quiddity would you like a Phab task to track this?  I haven't bothered to mention it but obviously I missed a big maintenance window because of it so...
[22:12:24] <quiddity>	 totally understood. The torrent is vast.  Maybe just reopen https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153006 to note you're investigating further?
[22:17:11] <Matthew_>	 Can do.
[22:17:14] <Matthew_>	 Might be the best move.
[22:18:47] <Matthew_>	 Thank you again.  Obivously email is not my forte.  
[22:20:08] <Matthew_>	 Platonides: And thank you too.
[22:20:45] <Platonides>	 you are welcome
[22:20:46] <quiddity>	 :)  /me looks for late lunch.
[22:20:57] <Matthew_>	 legoktm: Thanks.  I'll look at that too, might be related but I'm also seeing it on wikimedia-l