[04:26:20] hey guys. is this the place to ask about cite.php? is that still the way wikimedia handles citation infrastructure? i was just hoping that someone was doing something to update the citation metadata like in {{cite book}} so we dont have so many hacks for diverse citations, and to unify the citations themselves across wikipedia so they're not repeated per article. [05:00:00] dtm: yeah, here is a good place to ask [05:00:35] I think people have ideas on how to fix some of the problems you're mentioning, iirc there's a group called WikiCite that was working on some of them [07:15:03] legoktm: o rly. where's this? on some wikiproject? [07:15:23] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCite [07:16:05] as sophisticated as the citation templates are, which kick the crap out of dead tree media, they're not good enough for digital :) [07:16:18] i mean they are 80+% [07:17:13] but i mean. the templates like {{cite book}} allow multiple author names and editor names but only one url lol. and other hardcoded things like that. [07:18:14] named references are good like but multiple locations can either be {{rp}} or {{sfn}} which are each a different kind of mess, but at least they can be automatically converted to a unified format in the future [07:18:28] there shouldn't be multiple ways to do the same thing [07:19:24] {{rp}}'s output is not hyperlinked, so i have the page number in one place in the body and i have the reference material in another place in the References section. [07:19:58] but it's unified in terms of the amount of output text. it's not redundant output text. [07:22:00] {{sfn}} is clean in the rendered body but it creates a huge mess of redundant output text in the References section. and it unbelievably references the citation *only* by two weird redundant things. the author's last name and the year! so... authors are not allowed to have different last names, nor to publish more than one items per year, wtf? and i have to mentally track those two different [07:22:06] things together, neither of which are a sensible ... [07:22:08] ... shorthand like a named ref. [07:22:11] it's just so surreal [07:22:20] it's so insanely hard to edit [07:22:26] it's quite an ordeal lol [07:23:15] also we need an app that aids in the proper digital metadata formatting of all the random bullshit citation formats that people use, particularly the dead tree formats [07:24:11] to help us line up each different piece of metadata, strip out the stupid delimeter punctuation ("," and "."), and maybe even give hints as to what some metadata means [07:24:27] which could be increasingly helpful, as a common database of citations is built. it'd help you match up to existing ones. [07:24:51] omg im just crying for any of this to be done, even just expanding the existing templates [07:25:02] but i'm not a programmer, sorry [07:25:41] it's brutal manual labor for the wikignome lol. so is this the right irc channel, and is WikiCite completely covering what i'm talking about? [07:36:18] oh shoot they have a #wikicite [11:20:09] I've made a huge (2,5GB) PDF file to keep all pages in original high resolution. Mediawiki does not seem to be able to generate the thumbnails, should a file a task about this or is this expected behavior [11:20:10] ? [11:20:23] this is file https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Constitui%C3%A7%C3%A3o_do_Imp%C3%A9rio_do_Brasil_de_1824.pdf [11:34:04] chicocvenancio_: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T167877 or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151202 or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T175812 [11:41:06] andre__, yep seems to be the same problem. [16:51:21] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maasplas_Kessenich.jpg and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Center_of_Kessenich.jpg - these files appear to have existed on Commons for a very long time, but now they will not display. I think we may need a sysadmin to look at this [16:53:21] Ah, I see it's a bigger, somewhat longstanding issue - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pratyya_Ghosh/What_Happened_to_These [23:45:46] https://dedup.debian.net/compare/mediawiki/mediawiki is interesting, it's a list of duplicated files in the tarball