[01:32:16] Hey guys, I had a question about {{INDEX}} and user space, I see documentation that says it's ignored by default, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Also, it seems Simple is automatically indexing user space. [01:45:12] Hi drewmutt. [01:45:19] Esther: Hi there! [01:45:33] drewmutt: You're talking about simple.wikipedia.org ? [01:46:18] Yep. https://www.google.com/search?q=drewmutt+simple+wikipedia&oq=drewmutt+simple+wikipedia&aqs=chrome..69i57.3840j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 [01:47:17] drewmutt: By default, most pages are indexed. [01:47:22] If you look at https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt you can see... [01:47:34] 'wgNamespaceRobotPolicies' in that file. [01:47:46] And then if you scroll down a bit, you'll see: [01:47:51] 'enwiki' => [ [01:47:51] NS_USER => 'noindex,follow', // T104797 [01:47:52] NS_USER_TALK => 'noindex,follow', [01:47:52] T104797: prevent search engines from indexing userspace on enwiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104797 [01:48:03] drewmutt: You see that? [01:48:12] There's no similar configuration for simplewiki. [01:48:17] Esther: Takin' a look... [01:48:19] So that's the behavior difference you're seeing. [01:48:43] That configuration says "set all pages in the User and User talk namespaces to be noindex, follow" on the English Wikipedia. [01:48:55] The French Wikipedia has similar configuration. [01:49:09] As does the Danish Wikipedia and the German Wikipedia. [01:49:37] Esther: Ah, I see that. So if they don't have an entry in that list they are indexed by defaults, yes? [01:49:43] By default... [01:50:05] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceRobotPolicies [01:50:19] drewmutt: Yes. [01:50:20] Esther: Do we want that? I know it's been a slightly contentious debate about it. [01:50:26] Who's we? :-) [01:50:46] It's actually https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultRobotPolicy sort of. [01:50:47] Esther: Heh, touche. Maybe Simple isn't even aware of it? [01:50:57] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultRobotPolicy sets a default of 'index,follow'. [01:51:08] And then the NamespaceRobotPolicies configuration can override that per-namespace. [01:51:30] So in the case of enwiki, it was overridden for User, User talk, Draft, and Draft talk. [01:51:40] drewmutt: Their probably unaware, yeah. [01:51:45] They're. [01:51:47] I need food. [01:52:01] * legoktm feeds Esther [01:52:08] * drewmutt bytes Esther [01:52:19] o: [01:52:38] Esther: Thanks for your help, I'll let simple know. [01:52:43] drewmutt: You're welcome to start a discussion on the Simple Wikipedia to change the default indexing behavior. [01:52:56] If there's consensus to change it, a Phabricator task can be filed and fulfilled. [01:53:09] Regarding the behavior of __INDEX__, that's a bit trickier. [01:53:23] But basically __NOINDEX__ should work currently on User and User talk pages. [01:53:42] __NOINDEX__ does not typically work on content namespaces, such as articles. [01:54:16] Mostly to prevent abuse/vandalism/misuse when someone adds __NOINDEX__ to [[Barack Obama]] or whatever. [01:54:50] Esther: Yeah, I don't get involved with them much, but I don't mind letting them know. Last question, why do we have {[Uw-userspacenoindex}} if it seems it's not actually against the rules? [01:55:04] Who's we? [01:55:23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-userspacenoindex I guess. [01:55:37] Esther: Heh, okay, what's the purpose of it? It's seem wholly inaccurate. [01:55:51] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-userspacenoindex&oldid=347836185 [01:55:54] Is how it started. [01:56:42] Esther: I actually like the wording of that better. [01:57:05] Esther: That it's because it's promotional seems like an important distinction. [01:57:29] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-userspacenoindex&diff=779344359&oldid=778047940 [01:57:32] appears to be the culprit. [01:57:35] Maybe that should be reverted. [01:58:06] Esther: Also, I'm seeing users who have it on every one of their user pages, I assume that's kinda going against the spirit of this? [01:58:31] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace/Archive_15#User_space_indexing_message_.28Uw-userspacenoindex.29 [01:58:38] drewmutt: It? [01:59:29] It's fine to mark your own user pages with __INDEX__ if you want. [01:59:34] As long as they're not promotional/spammy. [02:00:09] Witam wszystkich, Huon chciałbyś, abyś dołączył do swojego nowego kanału ##huon [02:00:25] wikimb: Speak American plz. [02:00:47] I'm not going to use Google Translate to understand your spam/trolling. [02:02:03] Literally every IRC room, well played. [14:47:45] [[Tech]]; DrTomRountree; Question on how to develop MediaWiki mobile IOS app.; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=16934730&oldid=16917177&rcid=9984329