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[08:47:52] <jeblad>	 DanielK_WMDE_: What is the status on hygienic templates, is it a writeup anywhere?
[08:49:48] <jeblad>	 aka balanced templates… T114445
[08:49:48] <stashbot>	 T114445: [RFC] Balanced templates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114445
[13:43:34] <Nemo_bis>	 Nostalgy https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-October/039556.html
[13:58:19] <CFisch_home>	 Volker_E: Dropping the icons OOjs UI also affected the RevSlider, what would be the right way to address this?
[13:58:23] <CFisch_home>	 ( see https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?diff=354925&oldid=276480&title=Main_Page&type=revision )
[13:59:05] <Volker_E>	 CFisch_home: I have a strong idea, on the way home right now, get back to you in the next 40mins
[13:59:19] <CFisch_home>	 k no problem
[13:59:20] <Volker_E>	 might be related to removed names
[13:59:29] <Volker_E>	 like 'remove' is now 'trash'
[13:59:36] <Volker_E>	 or that you're not loading the right icon packs
[13:59:51] <Volker_E>	 see you in a bit
[14:49:15] <Volker_E>	 CFisch_home: yeah, so you'd need the movement icon pack now
[14:49:24] <Volker_E>	 as core has been removed
[15:07:18] <CFisch_home>	 Volker_E: thanks, see patch: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/356602/
[15:08:02] <CFisch_home>	 also it seems, that the top bar to expand the slider is bigger now ... but I guess this might be related to changed defaults and I just fix it with CSS on our side
[15:15:25] <Volker_E>	 hmm, the pin icon looks smaller
[15:15:36] <Volker_E>	 what is interactions in help for?
[15:17:24] <Volker_E>	 asked on the patch
[15:17:34] <CFisch_home>	 the pin button is the same but the bar is now higher
[15:18:33] <Volker_E>	 slightly yes
[15:18:40] <CFisch_home>	 answered on the patch, its for the show help button
[15:19:09] <Volker_E>	 the reason for making it taller were two things:
[15:19:44] <Volker_E>	 a) frameless buttons are now same height as framed ones, which makes putting them side-by-side easier and also simplifies layout for designers
[15:20:22] <Volker_E>	 b) it increases touch size a bit – intended for mobile usage
[15:21:03] <Volker_E>	 it's not a killer on desktop and on mobile it comes close to touch minimum size recommendations
[15:21:20] <Volker_E>	 let me phrase it differently ;)
[15:21:42] <Volker_E>	 it's a slight increase on desktop, but a bigger difference on mobile ;)
[15:22:14] <CFisch_home>	 I see, so you increased the paddings there
[15:22:40] <Volker_E>	 a tad
[15:23:10] <Volker_E>	 CFisch_home: any objections from me merging the patch?
[15:23:11] <CFisch_home>	 in desktop that results in 4px more on the top and the button of the bar
[15:23:15] <CFisch_home>	 nope
[15:23:24] <CFisch_home>	 go for it :-)
[15:25:55] <CFisch_home>	 About the expand-bar I probably will have a quick talk to Jan / Lea what we will do. Thanks for the clarification though.
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[22:02:52] * Nemo_bis appreciated the useful last two comments on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135682
[23:02:01] <nihonjoe>	 Anyone here know how often the https://www.wikipedia.org/ page updates? I have someone asking why the Tamil wiki (ta.wikipedia) is not in the 100k article section when it has 103k articles.
[23:02:18] <nihonjoe>	 Is it an automated bot process that runs on a set schedule?
[23:07:31] <bd808>	 nihonjoe: that project is typically called "the portal". The stats there are updated by a manual process. Let me see if I can find the task that tracks the updates to it...
[23:07:50] <nihonjoe>	 Not sure I want to send someone to the Ah, thank you.
[23:08:11] <nihonjoe>	 Ignore the part before "Ah, thank you"
[23:10:03] <nihonjoe>	 I wonder if a bot could handle that part of it. It seems it would be perfect for a bot task: check the article count for each wiki at the end of the month, then rearrange the entries as needed.
[23:10:04] <bd808>	 T128546 is the tracking task
[23:10:04] <stashbot>	 T128546: [Recurring Task] Update Wikipedia.org Portal and sister Wiki's statistics  - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128546
[23:10:46] <bd808>	 the tricky bit is deploying the update to the production servers, but it really could be updated once a week with the normal deploy train
[23:11:44] <nihonjoe>	 I have no clue how to create a phab ticket. Can someone suggest that? It seems silly to manually update something liek that when a bot could do it far more quickly and keep it going.
[23:11:45] <bd808>	 it looks like there is a new update waiting to be merged and deployed -- https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/355632/
[23:17:36] <Yvette>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/WPOR/browse/master/prod/wikipedia.org/index.html
[23:17:56] <bd808>	 nihonjoe: I created T166847 for your question
[23:17:56] <stashbot>	 T166847: Create a bot to update article counts and have updates ride the weekly deployment train - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166847
[23:18:15] <nihonjoe>	 Awesome, thanks!
[23:19:05] <bd808>	 phabricator is pretty easy too. If you are into helping with technical things its worth getting your account working there.
[23:19:20] <bd808>	 you can login using OAuth and your normal wiki account
[23:20:08] <nihonjoe>	 Perhaps later. Right now, I don't have the time. I would likely get lost in there and find my way back out after a year or two. :D
[23:20:20] <bd808>	 visit https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/auth/start/?next=%2F and click the "login or register" button with the MediaWiki logo on it
[23:20:32] <bd808>	 understood :)
[23:21:42] <nihonjoe>	 I subscribed to the ticket.
[23:22:35] <nihonjoe>	 Thanks for the help, bd808.
[23:23:58] <bd808>	 yw