[02:33:47] hi [02:34:34] [restbase/deploy@6adb0f2] [02:35:00] hola [02:35:35] wikipedia [02:39:06] .l. [02:39:09] jodete [02:39:26] #hailgrasa [02:39:35] #hailsdlg [02:39:39] sdlg prros [02:39:56] hola [02:40:27] error 404?¿ [04:02:16] how does one become a tester for oauth/2FA? [04:50:54] Zackary: what kind of testing do you want to do? OAuth and 2FA are different things. [04:52:46] Zackary: I think that 2FA is available to everyone now on an opt-in basis. There is a bit about it at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Security_Team/Two-factor_Authentication_for_CentralAuth_wikis [04:56:23] oh, I want to test 2FA. Also on metawiki it's shown as "Two-factor authentication testers" but on enwiki it's shown as "oathauth-tester". [04:56:57] ah. "OATH" vs "OAuth" [04:58:02] also it doesn't seem to be available to everyone as I can't find it in my preferences and when I go to the page mentioned it says I don't have the permissions to view the page [04:59:33] Ok. I would expect a page on meta about requesting access then. Let me see if I can find one [05:00:54] there is an RfC with very little discussion -- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Enable_two-factor_verification_for_all_users [05:03:23] the global group doesn't have many people in it -- https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/oathauth-tester [05:04:43] Zackary: your best bet may be to ask one of our security team members -- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Security_Team [05:19:30] is there a certain way/place I should contact or should I just email one of the team members? [05:40:25] Zackary: if you dont mind using phabricator.wikimedia.org to create a ticket (login should work with wiki user), add adding them, that would probably be most effective.. and to then get more docs from that for the next requestor [05:44:42] Zackary: like reporting a security bug without the urgency https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reporting_security_bugs | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator [06:23:14] ok [06:23:20] thanks for the help~ [06:23:26] also the task is here https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164340 [09:43:21] Hi all. Can someone help me with a problem related to accessing a user account? [09:52:56] !ask [10:00:24] Thanks. Several months ago, it was created an account for a museum but they don´t remember the email linked to the account to recover the password. Is it possible to know the email? [10:30:56] Rodelar: is this a Wikimedia user account? or your own wiki? [10:33:06] if you still own the email address, just don't remember it, just use password reset, you don't have to enter the username [10:34:31] otherwise, we can change the email address if the account holder can prove their identity somehow [10:34:47] most of the time it's easier to just register a new account though [10:43:26] it´s a Wikimedia user account [10:44:14] how can they prove their identity? [13:01:28] [[Tech]]; 129.45.120.62; /* Expansion of $fax macro in translations to RTL languages */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=16681811&oldid=16668393&rcid=9582075 [13:01:37] [[Tech]]; Tegel; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/129.45.120.62|129.45.120.62]] ([[User talk:129.45.120.62|talk]]) to last version by Lsanabria; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=16681812&oldid=16681811&rcid=9582076 [13:02:05] The central notice used at nowiki is for 19th april; Centralnotice-tgroup-April2017MaintenanceNotice [13:02:55] It should use the notice for 3rd of May [13:03:50] wake up! Wrong notice! Wikipedia claims time travel! [13:04:00] Ding, ding, ding! [13:04:30] I see the one for today, sounds like a cache issue. [13:04:48] sjoerddebruin: are you using norwegian interface language? [13:05:03] Oh wait, then the translations might be outdated. [13:05:09] It is correct on meta and Mediawiki [13:05:28] jeblad: judging from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeLogs , Seddon is in charge [13:05:28] At nowiki it is about the trustees now [13:05:55] Now 19th May is back [13:06:16] https://no.wikipedia.org/?banner=May2017MaintenanceNotice&uselang=no [13:06:36] TRied to follow the translation link, and the englsh one is wrong too [13:07:00] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Centralnotice-tgroup-April2017MaintenanceNotice&filter=&language=nb&action=translate [13:07:10] fuck sorry guys [13:07:27] I like time travel, so no problem! =) [13:08:04] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F7892280 for reference [13:08:07] * jeblad likes it when other people screws up - makes things a bit more even… [13:08:23] :p [13:10:11] Seddon: If you can give me the correct link I'll translate it [13:10:20] jeblad: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&filter=%21translated&group=Centralnotice-tgroup-May2017MaintenanceNotice&language=nb&task=custom&action=translate [13:18:25] Done [13:20:43] Who manages sitenotice? [13:21:37] Seddon [13:22:12] Just post it here, I guess he'll be back in a minute, he's out fixing nowiki [13:22:17] wargo [13:22:17] here [13:22:35] wargo: whats up [13:23:50] wargo: everything okay? [13:24:00] Small change in /pl about maintenance [13:27:27] Seddon; the message on nowiki is still for 19th April [13:29:16] jeblad: I've pushed teh nb translation [13:29:54] Could it be no/nb problem? No is the macro language [13:30:28] nb is used as content language [13:31:18] Correct now! =D [13:33:51] It is changed to quasi nenglish, it is nett-tjenere in Norwegian, not nettservere, but who cares… ;) [13:34:28] "servere" is English, not Norwegian [13:44:07] heads up dc switchover happening in about 15 minutes (so obv no deploys for awhile) [13:52:18] Put on those helmets, we're going in… [13:52:25] O_O [13:59:53] if you want to follow along, you may watch in #wikimedia-operations (no chatter though please, bug reports should go here) [14:23:41] read-write back in the original datacenter [14:24:02] Congrats. [14:24:33] +1, good luck for the rest of the work [14:24:33] Seddon: why grey on grey in the banner? :( [14:25:07] Nemo_bis: The current maintenance banner? [14:26:06] Seddon: yes [14:26:13] quite unreadable https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F7892771 [14:26:26] Nemo_bis: It's not my banner :P I didn't get a chance to update it [14:27:01] Seddon: is there a document on something about wiki maintenance and the process for it? [14:27:09] It's worth specifying that banners should be readable [14:28:14] Nemo_bis: The banners are old ones from like 2008. RL prevented me from giving these an overhaul before this maintenance window [14:29:38] wiki functionalitylook ok to folks? anything weird? [14:30:01] Interesting side-effect, the VisualEditor citation generator stopped working for a few minutes there, but it's back up now. [14:30:32] pretty much focused on how everythign is now, though that's good to know [14:31:07] Edits are saving cleanly for me at least. :) [14:32:07] <_joe_> TheDragonFire: interesting, noted [14:32:22] <_joe_> I'll ask the citoid ppl to follow up [14:32:30] So... can we remove the notice about Server switch now? [14:34:34] (we have one about editing restriction in Watchlist at Russian Wikipedia) [14:35:06] well the read only period is definitely done [14:35:06] apergos: we in the clear? banners down? [14:35:08] so [14:35:36] take em away! [14:36:17] OK, thanks. [15:11:52] Rather smooth transition anyhow! =) [21:13:31] hi, which tags should I choose in phabricator for a config change for nl.wikipedia.org (enable visual editor for a namespace)? [21:14:00] andre__: you know I assume? [21:16:52] ahh, found it, wikimedia-site-requests [21:16:54] akoopal: MediaWiki-Configuration i believe [21:16:59] ah, that too :) [21:17:06] i'd do both, heh [21:17:11] he'll fix it if wrong [21:17:24] just hit submit :-) [21:17:56] site-requests is kind of an old term from a time when changing config meant "somebody with shell opens it in vi" :p [21:18:07] not really 100% fitting anymore [21:18:33] will add the other one [21:19:23] MediaWiki-Configuration is for the MediaWiki defaults [21:19:44] wikimedia-site-requests for the operations/mediawiki-config changes [21:20:11] so, excepted if you wish we change the DefaultSettings.php shipped with MediaWiki, wikimedia-site-requests is the one you want [21:20:36] ahh, ok [21:20:47] then I will leave it like that, thanks [21:21:36] You still have page in this namespace like https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kroeg [21:22:39] There is a strong wish from editing team to separate modern editing extensions like this: [21:22:48] - Visual Editor directly for content [21:22:57] - Flow (with VE mode integrated) for discussions [21:23:35] So they aren't in favour to enable VE in a namespace with discussion pages. [21:23:57] What you can do is to move all the Wikipedia: discussion spaces to Overleg Wikipedia: [21:24:14] and then we can process your request [21:24:48] Dereckson: hmmm, that is much more difficult to get consensus on [21:25:05] well [21:25:15] it is a kind of a mixed namespace, I think on all wikipedia's [21:25:24] compare with a meta consensus to ask Editing team to change their mind of this issue [21:25:27] most village pumps live there I believe [21:25:38] but there are also more project pages [21:26:34] Note the only requirement is to move discussion pages to a talk namespace, not to deploy Flow [21:27:17] that I understand, but ... [21:28:39] Explain to the community the move would allow to have more coherent naming conventiosn.