[01:11:49] <Yvette>	 MatmaRex: The entire account creation cabal is absolutely insane.
[01:14:56] <Yvette>	 I hope most people end at up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CreateAccount and not https://accounts.wmflabs.org/
[01:16:49] <bd808>	 o_0 what is that tool?
[01:17:31] <Yvette>	 It's part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Request_an_account
[01:19:08] <Reedy>	 bd808: tldr; captchas suck for the visually impaired etc
[01:19:12] <bd808>	 If that's really needed... seems like it would be better handled as an extension
[01:19:18] <Yvette>	 bd808: It's a total rabbit hole.
[01:19:30] <Yvette>	 Like the whole mess of infrastructure built around account creation is insanen.
[01:19:31] <Reedy>	 Technically, that's kinda what ConfirmAccount does
[01:19:34] <Yvette>	 insane *
[01:19:43] <bd808>	 it would pretty simple to make something like the global rename request queue
[01:20:05] <Yvette>	 bd808: Or, ummm, let people self-rename, like every sane place.
[01:20:13] <Yvette>	 The idea of queues and forms is just nuts.
[01:20:23] <bd808>	 sane and our database aren't good friends :/
[01:20:24] <Reedy>	 Many places don't let you rename at all
[01:20:33] <Yvette>	 Reedy: Sure, I'd be fine with that too.
[01:20:40] <Yvette>	 We have an ugly, horrible hybrid, IMO.
[01:20:53] <Yvette>	 Also, which places?
[01:20:58] <bd808>	 MediaWiki is edge cases all the way down
[01:21:16] <Dragonfly6-7>	 legacy legacy legacy
[01:21:32] <Yvette>	 Developers developers developers developers.
[01:22:10] <Yvette>	 https://accounts.wmflabs.org/ is also a lot less secure.
[01:22:18] <Yvette>	 Since it exposes IP info and your e-mail address to people.
[01:22:21] <Yvette>	 Instead of just making an account directly.
[01:22:22] <bd808>	 well its been an active product for 15+ years. saying "legacy" is being disingenuous to reality
[01:22:43] <bd808>	 there is no way that a "rewrite" would fix much
[01:23:14] <bd808>	 it would I guarantee resurrect a lot of bugs that have been found and fixed already
[01:23:46] <bd808>	 Yvette: yeah, I don't love that existing at all
[01:24:39] <bd808>	 the user's IP should at least be hidden though
[01:24:55] <bd808>	 the wmflabs proxy hides the real ip
[01:27:32] <Yvette>	 The form suggests otherwise.
[01:27:40] <Yvette>	 > Note that if you use this form, your IP address will be recorded, and displayed to those who review account requests.
[01:27:49] <Yvette>	 https://accounts.wmflabs.org/statistics.php?page=Users also confusingly lists CheckUsers.
[01:30:36] <Yvette>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6845 has recent activity.
[01:31:48] <bd808>	 Yvette: add #easy and point to the last place that TimStarling recommended disabling CAPTCHAs entirely
[01:31:53] <Reedy>	 heh
[02:46:14] <bd808>	 brion: thanks for a) using mw-vagrant, b) testing the jessie branch, c) filing bugs, and d) uploading patches. You are an A+ customer, would sell again. :)
[02:49:20] <brion>	 :)
[03:16:42] <Yvette>	 bd808: We tried disabling the CAPTCHA on mediawiki.org at some point.
[03:16:48] <Yvette>	 It didn't go well, though the test was kind of flawed/stupid.
[03:17:07] <Yvette>	 I was just reminded of this move of yours: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Simplify_thumbnail_cache&offset=20131008014647&limit=10&action=history
[03:18:16] <Yvette>	 Re: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2017-February/087639.html
[03:20:32] <bd808>	 heh. I guess at least I'm not the only person to ever do that
[03:21:38] <bd808>	 also... how in the hell did you remember that?
[03:22:39] <bd808>	 are you an evil super genius with an eidetic memory?
[04:04:05] <brion>	 i love it when a patch comes together
[04:06:26] <Yvette>	 Lots of institutional memory for the old Bugzilla bugs, mostly. Plus decent notes left in comments on some of the bugs.
[09:19:22] <p858snake>	 <bd808> If that's really needed... seems like it would be better handled as an extension <that has been proposed numerous times </late>