[00:06:26] <Krenair>	 Also we should do something about https://ps.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%81%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%DA%93%DB%8C:%D9%88%D9%86%DA%89%DB%90&offset=20120901000000&limit=55&target=ANBI&namespace=8
[07:55:35] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; ArchiverBot; Bot: Archiving 1 thread (older than 30 days) to [[Tech/Archives/2016]].; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=16214810&oldid=16213351&rcid=8804240
[16:42:15] <ziegenberg>	 page requests failed several times: Request from 193.170.63.201 via cp3031 cp3031, Varnish XID 180474541 Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:39:43 GMT
[16:42:33] <ziegenberg>	 just in case you're interested.
[16:51:48] <melodykramer>	 Hello all! A reminder that the keynote speaker at the Dev Summit is Ward Cunningham and his speech will begin in 70 minutes or so.
[16:52:15] <Nemo_bis>	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQgx11Q5p9w
[16:52:23] <Nemo_bis>	 Definitely worth mentioning :)
[16:52:29] <melodykramer>	 If you're remote (as I am) the stream will be here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQgx11Q5p9w starting at 10:05 PT / 6:05 GMT.
[16:52:37] <melodykramer>	 Oh thanks @Nemo_bis - you beat me to it!
[17:04:24] <tobias47n9e>	 Thanks for the link.
[17:26:15] <Nemo_bis>	 marxarelli: I also wrote the channels of http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/bitweaver+DokuWiki+Drupal-Wiki+Foswiki+ikiwiki+JSPWiki+MoinMoin+Oddmuse+PmWiki+TiddlyWiki+Tiki-Wiki-CMS-Groupware+TracWiki+Wicked+Wiki-Toolkit+Wikia+WikkaWiki+XWiki+Zwiki
[17:26:20] <Nemo_bis>	 * melodykramer 
[17:28:16] <legoktm>	 the opening/welcome is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGj1lc-Xyy0
[17:52:22] <melodykramer>	 Thank you legoktm - will add that to the schedule.
[17:52:43] <legoktm>	 melodykramer: I took the link from the schedule
[17:53:29] <melodykramer>	 legoktm: Can you show me where? I see this: "Opening, Welcome!
[17:53:29] <melodykramer>	 Ventana | 9:30 - 10:05 am | This session will be video recorded and available for later viewing!" but it doesn't have a link.
[17:54:02] <legoktm>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/Program "View live broadcast"
[17:54:10] <legoktm>	 ohh, someone changed the page
[17:54:41] <melodykramer>	 gotcha - I can readd that link. 
[17:54:51] <legoktm>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/Program&diff=prev&oldid=2346149
[17:54:58] <legoktm>	 I'm guessing it's not being streamed then?
[17:55:12] <brendan_campbell>	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnZJHw8NmEQ
[17:55:14] <melodykramer>	 oh, possibly not - I can check and add if it is! 
[17:55:20] <brendan_campbell>	 the link has changed, i have updated the wiki
[17:55:25] <brendan_campbell>	 my apologies for the confusion
[17:56:43] <melodykramer>	 thanks all!
[17:56:44] <legoktm>	 thanks 
[17:57:04] * greg-g waves to melodykramer 
[17:57:13] <greg-g>	 thanks for being the online moderator!
[18:00:16] * melodykramer waves back!
[18:01:33] <melodykramer>	 Slide says "no where to look for guidance | can or can't influence creativity | great decisions make a mess | read all the code in one sitting | silicon valley is a hard place | how come I know javascript" 
[18:07:31] <legoktm>	 "that's how weird water is - just imagine how people are"
[18:10:55] <melodykramer>	 "How do you do your work when what's important keeps changing?"...."You can do that if you have this sense of how you do your work..."
[18:12:33] <HaeB>	 melodykramer: FYI, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/Remote_Participation gives #wmhack as the IRC channel, not this one
[18:13:12] <melodykramer>	 Ah, I'll add this one - thanks HaeB 
[18:13:40] <legoktm>	 HaeB: grumble grumble https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Developer_Summit%2F2017%2FProgram&type=revision&diff=2347392&oldid=2347388
[18:14:15] <HaeB>	 melodykramer legoktm: well, rachel announced #wmhack in the opening, so it would make sense to stick with it
[18:14:43] <HaeB>	 we were just having a conversation with quiddity etc about this confusion in #wmhack
[18:15:01] <melodykramer>	 oh! It says this room throughout the entire program - I thought  #wmhack was specifically for Wednesday. I can update.
[18:15:06] <legoktm>	 HaeB: that's just confusing to remote people who opened the wiki page this morning and didn't refresh since :P
[18:15:18] <quiddity>	 This is the secondary channel, for discussions of other concurrent sessions. I'm updating the program page, now
[18:15:50] <melodykramer>	 I'll update all of the social links.
[18:16:31] <HaeB>	 legoktm: not sure, #wmhack has been listed on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/Remote_Participation for weeks
[18:16:49] <HaeB>	 anyway, i want to focus on ward's talk now ;)
[18:17:01] <legoktm>	 the /Program page was different :P ok :)
[18:31:46] * Nemo_bis gets lost in the countless options https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F5262339
[18:36:09] <qgil>	 Hi, sorry I'm late. Did anyone post any question for Ward Cunningham's keynote so far -- ref https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/Program#Monday.2C_January_9th
[18:36:58] <marktraceur>	 qgil: #wmhack says people should say their names.
[18:37:50] <greg-g>	 people who ask questions in person, that is
[18:38:03] <greg-g>	 anyone else can as well, but that'd just get weird if too many did it all at once
[18:42:01] <DanielK_WMDE>	 is anyone taking questions from this channel?
[18:42:12] <qgil>	 Hi, I'm reading now.
[18:42:45] <DanielK_WMDE>	 we still have twenty minutes
[18:42:53] <James_F>	 DanielK_WMDE: It'd be best to use #wmhack
[18:43:58] <marktraceur>	 There seems to be some lingering question about channel normalization.
[18:45:29] <James_F>	 This channel has non-conference stuff in it ("OMG the sites are down!" etc.) so the dedicated one makes a little more sense.
[18:45:35] <qgil>	 OK, sorry for the confusion. Questions for Ward at #wmhack only, not here please
[18:45:38] <James_F>	 But yes, we need to watch both.
[18:46:22] <quiddity>	 I can't change the topic, need op to do so.  -- I was going to add this prefix to the current: See #wmhack for primary devsummit discussion |
[18:46:50] <Platonides>	 could [[Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/Program]] be updated to include the UTC time, too?
[18:47:25] <greg-g>	 +8 to the pacific time, ftr
[18:48:15] <Platonides>	 it didn't even specify its timezone :)
[18:49:15] <quiddity>	 will do
[18:50:33] <greg-g>	 Platonides: #contextualizedinformation
[19:24:39] <Trizek>	 Newcomer-friendly edit-review tools: help imagine what that looks like is starting. I'll facilitate discussion for people who are remote.
[19:24:57] <Trizek>	 Notes for that session : https://docs.google.com/document/d/175H5rkaHMFQTWw-U991_G1MpCUVEJACzoQJgPbFchog/edit#heading=h.inavjztc6qvc
[19:26:07] <Trizek>	 Boradcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h461gCZQhN4
[19:30:39] <brendan_campbell>	 Please feel free to let me know if there are any AV woes with the livestreams. I'm doing my best to monitor both, but I only have one pair of ears :)
[20:37:24] <melodykramer>	 Please ensure you're taking notes in sessions! There are now templates for each session in the Monday schedule: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/Program#Monday.2C_January_9th with instructions at the top of each Etherpad! 
[20:40:51] <melodykramer>	 what just happened?
[20:45:05] <mutante>	 some people tried to spam with a botnet
[20:45:10] <mutante>	 and the irc server operators killed them
[20:45:36] <mutante>	 should be over 
[20:46:14] <mutante>	 the spammer is likely German