[08:26:04] * Josve05a is sad this was discontinued https://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multimedia:%22Report_an_issue%22_wizard [08:49:04] Josve05a: you liked AFTv5? [08:49:34] AFT? [08:49:43] If you want a "report an issue" wizard on "your" Wikipedia, you could propose to adopt the pl.wiki gadget, which is very simple and effective [08:51:04] Ah, Article Feedback tool. Well, I wish it could have been more "fleshed our" and not just dump feedback on pages which no-one ever saw [08:52:47] I think svwp would really need something like that... [08:54:35] i recently realised what was wrong with AFTv5... [08:54:45] it was distributed over every single page... [08:55:37] instead you should have just had 1 forum, which editors could sift through and sort, and then have issues show up on a talk page after it was tagged to be 'OK'. [08:56:11] would have been much easier to spam filter and curate and much more visible. [08:56:20] thedj: time to work on v6? [08:57:23] i think the collaboration team is actually always thinking about stuff like that. but it's very difficult to get something off the ground in that area... [08:57:51] structured discussion is a tad tainted by now. [09:50:33] thedj: I realised that many years ago [09:51:56] I described what was imho the one and only hard requirement in what I marked as critical bug for the component, but it was already too late [09:52:45] Maybe https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60956 [10:21:19] Nemo_bis: the problem here is that such products need to solve 'too many problems' at once for engineers to tackle. [10:21:33] some of the lessons learned of AFTv5 went into Flow [10:21:47] and you know what, they totally failed there :) [10:22:31] These are incredibly hard problems to solve and in the wikimedia verse, you are not allowed to fail. [10:23:40] compare that to Foursquare which sort of killed itself off with Swarm (like all the users predicted), and now 4 years later, they are basically back to the same point they started back then and becoming slightly more popular again... [10:23:52] 4 years !!!! [10:23:54] :) [10:25:28] i'm always hugely fascinated by such complex problems, where technology and user behavior and 'interests' mix... [10:31:30] I outlined all the false premises of Flow already in 2012, I never felt a need to repeat myself since then [10:36:39] the thing with flow is, that it wanted to fix the right problems, then decided it was trying to fix too many problems, then picked exactly the WRONG issue to solve (talk pages), because it seemed the 'simplest' problem. [10:37:25] the thing however about wikipedia is that the simple stuff === the most flexible stuff == the most difficult situation to abstract into higher level tooling.