[00:06:33] p858snake|__: Yes, thank you! [12:05:48] Hello, could I ask about something related to VisualEditor? (or better to ask on dev channel? or is there a special channel for VE?) [12:10:05] Dvorapa: /join #mediawiki-visualeditor [12:20:41] On cswiki, VE automatically sorts template parameters according to its TemplateData order in params. But we don't like it and want to disable this behavior. Is it possible? [12:22:33] andre__: I tried, but no response there [12:23:13] Dvorapa: timezones = patience. :) [12:24:45] knowing why you don't like it would also be helpful [12:27:12] because the original change of editor is hidden between VE changes of line order (editors are confused and try to accuse the others from hiding their editations with this.. [12:42:37] Please see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138200 for more [16:11:21] hi, where can I find info on the changed interwiki list? [16:11:33] on nl.wiki it only gives us 10 options instead of all languages [16:11:50] I want to find out who did this, and who picked these specific languages [16:12:35] a link to a gerrit for this would be great [16:16:18] interwiki list where? [16:17:02] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/294874/ [16:25:18] all 35 million wikipedia articles [16:25:23] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136677#2394066 [16:27:19] If it's a betafeature, you can just disable it [16:28:04] it's not a beta feature AFAIK, at least it's not show on the beta tab in the preferences [16:28:07] on 200 wikis... [16:28:16] it should not be deployed [16:28:22] not as standard option without a vote [16:28:25] Disable under "Languages" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering , problem solved. [16:28:31] 200x [16:28:36] all languages I work in [16:28:41] "it should be deployed." is as much of an argument, I :) [16:28:42] 'm afraid [16:29:39] As written on Phabricator: Today is the shedule day for stage 1 and therefore it will be deployed on 91 wikis [16:29:41] It shouldn't be deployed without some community input [16:29:45] *schedule [16:29:58] currently the Dutch options are Zeeuws, Limburgisch, etc. all minority languages noone uses [16:30:19] and they cannot be changed. Someone did not think it through. [16:30:39] which languages would be relevant to you? [16:30:46] Big languages [16:30:49] ("all languages noone uses" sounds a bit arrogant, sorry) [16:30:53] any wiki wiht more then 100k articles [16:30:59] Literally [16:31:02] not *similar* languages? interesting. [16:31:03] check the visiotr numbers [16:31:10] check the numbers of those wikis [16:31:12] noone uses them [16:31:19] that is fact [16:31:22] well, I have Arabic, Bahasa Indonesia, Hindi, Chinese, nothing similar to Finnish language... [16:32:07] It is supposed to remember nine languages. [16:32:19] But which and how is it chosen [16:32:21] according to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:T4l116q3ruo51ujm [16:32:22] who decides? [16:32:33] How can we even give feedback [16:32:45] (oh wait, maybe that's ULS itself and not the sidebar) [16:32:59] a dozen people gave feedback on the nlwiki allone, but noone reeds that of the people who did this. [16:34:36] For reasons why this was developed, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design/Interlanguage_links#Is_this_really_needed.3F [16:35:43] I can guess that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Universal_Language_Selector/Compact_Language_Links is a feedback place [16:35:54] #mediawiki-i18n might know better. [17:13:12] Steinsplitter: Adding comments like "This was reverted in..." is rather misleading for a proposed revert that has not gotten merged yet... just saying [17:15:12] andre__: That is a bug in gerrit (atomatic generated summary), but agree with you that it is misleading . [17:15:33] andre__: and i have to admin, i overlooked that there is a opt-out. sorry :/ [17:15:51] Steinsplitter: no worries about that :) [17:16:05] Steinsplitter, hmm, automated summary? I referred to comments like at the bottom of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/294874/ [17:16:16] anyway, just pointing out that it confused me :) [17:17:04] Steinsplitter: and yeah, not totally happy either here about this change. :-/ [17:17:23] andre__>: Yes, it was added automatically o_O [17:31:06] Steinsplitter: Oh. Then I am very sorry. I didn't know Gerrit does that and uses misleading language. :-( [17:31:23] Meh. I owe you a drink I guess (assuming you're at Wikimania)... [17:32:08] (untortunately, i am not :-(, no time. But likely at wikicon) [17:32:38] :( Alright! :) [17:37:26] [[Tech]]; 119.30.39.47; /* ty ïdero */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=15712961&oldid=15709543&rcid=7936163 [17:37:39] [[Tech]]; Defender; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/119.30.39.47|119.30.39.47]] ([[User talk:119.30.39.47|talk]]) to last version by Stemoc; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=15712962&oldid=15712961&rcid=7936165 [20:39:24] Hi [20:47:07] An issue with using the API. Given the page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stolperstein_Siegburg_Luisenstraße_28_Jenny_Klein.jpg I want to extract the actual image URL for displaying said image in a web page. As long as the resolution occurs on some server that works fine using the API. However, when trying the same in JavasScript, I encounter CORS issues. Surely I could use an AJAX proxy to get rid of this but I wonder wh [20:47:53] you cut off at "but I wonder wh" [20:48:20] but I wonder why the server doesn't provide an "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *" header. [20:49:02] I'm not sure just allowing any origin would be secure [20:50:52] Certain types of resources should not attempt to specify particular authorized origins, but instead either deny or allow all origins. ... [20:51:04] A resource that is publicly accessible, with no access control checks, can always safely return an Access-Control-Allow-Origin header whose value is "*". [20:51:17] From: https://www.w3.org/TR/cors/ [20:53:02] I was rather surprised that the API response didn't come with such a header [20:53:41] To be more precise: that it doesn't have any ACAO-Header [20:53:42] penpen: there's a bug about it [20:54:34] penpen: currently MediaWiki API only allows authenticated CORS requests, we have it configured to allow communication between Wikimedia wikis. but non-authenticated ones are not allowed (you can use JSONP though). [20:54:59] penpen: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62835 there is some recent discussion there. [20:56:06] (s/authenticated/with credentials/, i think that's the correct term) [20:57:22] MatmaRex: okay, it's intentionally so [21:00:18] AJAX proxy here I come -_- [21:01:52] you could use JSONP… [21:01:58] oh, they're gone. meh [22:55:14] You can rename the shell account after being created? Currently I have this https://tools.wmflabs.org/alvaro/. I appreciate if someone can help me with this issue. [22:55:51] ? [22:55:57] What are you requesting help with? [22:56:32] Reedy: Yes, sorry for my English. [22:56:49] AlvaroMolina: you need to file a ticket in phabricator [22:57:07] afaik [22:57:38] Okay... [22:58:27] I will then open a ticket in Phabricator to request my account renowned shell. Thank you.