[07:50:31] What can be done with the description related to the renaming (move) of the page? In English the letter = 1 byte. But for other alphabets letter = 2 bytes. I.e. the description is placed in half. User + Title before + Title after + and for describing almost no place left. Сompare: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opportunistic_mobile_social_network&diff=710491870&oldid=689296601 and https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/inde [07:51:14] https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falcon_%28%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9%29&diff=prev&oldid=77043309 [16:18:14] Hello, is there anybody? Could I ask about something? [16:18:37] hi [16:20:32] !ask | Dvorapa [16:20:38] Meh. No bot here. :) [16:20:51] Don't ask to ask. Just ask. [16:21:08] On cswiki we discuss about Gadgets 2.0. There were two new namespaces (Gadget and Gadget definition) set by mediawiki. We want to translate them into czech language, but we couldn't find, what will be their purpose?? [16:21:35] (in order to translate them correctly) [16:22:24] Dvorapa, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106177 I'd guess [16:27:42] I found nothing new, maybe I asked not so clearly [16:30:36] I meant what is the purpose of each of those two namespaces? Is ns Gadget definition prepared for a text description of a gadget or for programmatical definition (like MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition definitions) [16:31:09] Is it somewhere written? [16:31:40] First one is for the script itself, the second one is for the definition of the script. [16:31:50] at least that's my understanding [16:38:33] But unfortunately the word "definition" has in czech two meanings :/ Do you prefer text description or definition from MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition?? [16:41:24] Dvorapa, andre__: gadgets can consist of multiple scripts (JS and CSS), and depend on resource loader modules. [16:41:34] Gadget definitions say what parts a gadget is composed of [16:41:54] The definition would reference all the scripts, styles and modules. [16:42:18] I assume the scripts and styles would go to the other namespace one day, but I really don't know how that is layed out [16:42:51] when I first wrote the Gadget extension, the definitions would refer to JS and CSS pages in the MediaWiki namespace (resource loaded didn't exist back then). [16:44:37] * andre__ wonders if https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadgets_2.0 helps. Probably not. [16:45:03] Okay, if I understand it correctly, the Special:Gadgets page in Gadgets 2.0 draft contains text descriptions and links to the gadget and its definition (programmatical ones). Am I right? [16:46:37] Dvorapa: i don't know, i havn't looked at 2.0 in years... but note that names and descriptions need to be localizable. so typically, the gadget definition would define a message key, which would then be used to retrieve the name in the user's language [16:46:54] Special:Gadgets has links to all these things [16:48:52] Looking at the patch (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/228781/18) GadgetDefinition holds the json blob that sets up the gadget [16:50:21] So it could have been called GadgetManifest or something instead [16:54:01] bd808: "gadget definition" is what it'S called in the original extension, so the name is historical, i guess [16:54:16] JSON blob? So it could combine all the stuff, like text description, css/js/another parts, some metadata, resourceloader... Therefore we on cswiki could name it somehow universally [16:55:05] Dvorapa: a gadget definition already defines all that. It just uses a crappy home grown syntax for that. 2.0 would use JSON. but the idea is the same. [16:55:35] But note that the definition *references" the actual code and text. it doesn't contain them. [16:57:38] now it references but in 2.0? Still *references* or *contains*? [16:57:51] Dvorapa: still references, I hope. [16:58:01] the idea is that multiple gadgets can share code that way [16:58:22] also, localizable text is always maintained as individual pages in the MediaWiki namespace [16:59:29] Yeah, it is. I suppose that's how localization will work in 2.0 too... [16:59:42] i very much hope so [17:03:06] Problem with proper translation solved, thanks to everybody here [17:11:30] Dvorapa: \o/ [19:05:26] Krenair, regarding pt.wikimedia issue, isn't possible to export the db content, clean that db and use it to the new wiki? The exported content could be imported to a new pt.wikimedia.org. Is this feasible? [19:21:32] Alchimista, ask the dba