[00:16:57] [[Tech]]; SlimVirgin; /* Request */ thanks; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=15385925&oldid=15384393&rcid=7441453 [07:55:47] [[Tech]]; ArchiverBot; Bot: Archiving 1 thread (older than 30 days) to [[Tech/Archives/2016]].; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=15386522&oldid=15385925&rcid=7442298 [10:39:19] Can somebody give me the statistics how often each enabled ciphersuit is negotiated for wikipedia? [10:39:47] I want to remove the unused ciphersuits from my server setup and I figure wikipedia will have nice statistics for this. [10:40:22] e.g. I am certain there isn't a single modern browser that would utilise the camellia ciphersuits [10:56:32] shneh: are you sure that such custom tweaking will make your server more secure than following simple suggestions like https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html ? [11:16:10] Nemo_bis: I'd prefer to make the attack surface smaller. [11:16:30] There are many ciphers and ciphersuits that don't receive as much cryptanalysis as the most used ones. [11:17:19] I am pretty sure that wikipedia has some ciphers enabled that are not used at all, but in a years time will be shown to be vulnerable to some attack. [11:17:26] Hence I want to proactively get rid of them. [11:17:41] Why enable something that's not used? [11:18:03] Wasn't that the issue with e.g. heartbleed? Most servers did not require the heartbeat extension, yet kept it enabled. [11:54:32] it would be nice for wikimedia to perhaps make a blog post about this [11:55:15] shneh: if we have any statistics, you'll find them on phabricator.wikimedia.org and related [11:56:08] Most research was done for https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/162/ and then there are user-agent statistics [14:12:42] Special preferences has stopped working at nowiki [14:13:27] * jeblad did not break it :D [14:39:43] Sorry, but isn't it a little bit uexüexpected to find a Flow board at the LiquidThreads Test Page of Mediawiki.org ?? [15:03:57] MGC_: yeah, was a bit... "bossy" [15:05:11] MGC_: there is precedent for asking a Flow page to be converted to a historyless wikitext page, dunno if that would be better [15:22:13] On such a page Liquid Threads would work, so I think this is preferable. [15:31:43] Nemo_bis: I forgot to thank you for your message on my talk page on meta. Very interesting! [15:49:01] Josve05a: :) [15:49:16] see also https://edri.org/privacyshield-unspinning-the-spin/ [15:50:18] thanks! [16:56:10] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RevisionDelete#Enabling and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#suppressrevision are inconsistent. Can someone help me figure out which one is correct? [16:57:00] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RevisionDelete#Enabling says that my sysops should have deletelogentry and deleterevision and my stewards (oversight group) should have suppressrevision and suppressionlog [16:57:41] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#suppressrevision says that there is no suppressionlog [16:58:24] Also, was hiderevision maintained in MW1.23 for backwards compatibility, or should I dump it completely? [16:59:00] http://ddowiki.com/page/Special:ListGroupRights is what I'm trying to sort out. [17:00:18] I think I've figured it out and I need another cup of coffee. [17:32:01] Is the language setting in Preferences broken? Tried changing it, and even though it says it successfully changed it, nothing happens. [18:25:34] Srdjan_m: we have some similar problems at nowiki, but no one has taken notice of the bug in phabricator yet: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128275 [18:27:13] Stigmj: Hm.. can't change skins either on bs and sr.wiki. [18:27:56] Srdjan_m: add it as symptoms to the bug, please. :) [18:34:52] Stigmj: Added a comment. Hope it gets fixed soon. [18:57:46] I can't give autopatrolled right to this account https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Permissions/Critou [18:58:00] another admin has confirmed the issue [18:58:11] should I open a report? [19:06:41] User is listed as already having autopatrolled right [19:07:40] "groups": [ "autopatrolled", "*", "user", "autoconfirmed"] [19:10:49] bawolff, yes, his edits not autopatrolled, and the right is not shown here: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Permissions/Critou [19:10:55] *are [19:11:17] https://fr.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Modifications_r%C3%A9centes&hidepatrolled=1 [19:11:47] and if we would like to, we couldn't remove the right [19:14:16] bawolff, I gave this right yesterday to another account, there wasn't such issue [19:17:42] interesting [19:20:38] I imagine its caching related [19:22:21] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128157 was deployed at 18:41. You gave the user autopatrol rights at 18:34, and s/he made next edit at 18:43, so perhaps that change caused user cache records to not be flushed properly or something [19:22:28] (pinging ori) [19:22:50] hey bawolff [19:22:59] yes, I think it is related [19:23:28] bawolff: I'll have a fix in a minute, if you can review [19:23:34] ok [19:29:32] I'm just going to revert the bad patch for now [19:33:26] yannf: can you try now? [19:35:34] bawolff: reverted it [19:35:38] seems ok now [19:35:42] thanks [19:35:43] :) [19:37:58] yannf: Great. Sorry I broke it with a careless change. [19:38:04] thanks for the ping bawolff. [19:43:42] ori, ok, thanks for fixing this [20:22:50] I have monobook skin at nowiki! :) [20:28:54] * jeblad gives ori a cookie [20:46:53] hello [20:47:47] i have some problem about Azerbaijani wiktionary [20:51:38] hey! [20:51:50] I have a question, but I don't know if it's correct chanell [20:52:04] Ask and find out :) [20:52:09] maybe I've found a weird bug in Wikipedia/visual editor [20:52:12] it's in Polish wikipedia [20:52:18] https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi%C5%84ska_pu%C5%82apka_na_palce [20:52:25] http://up.krzysiu.net/lFnpQAt/wiki-problem.png [20:52:31] it's in Polish, but let me translate [20:52:44] green - correct reference; red - wrong reference [20:53:08] on wiki there's incorrect reference showing. So I opened visual editor and in visual editor there's a good one. [20:53:21] the last version is reviewed so it's not about that [20:56:05] now I see it's different [20:56:23] both VE and Wikipedia points to the same reference, but different numbers are used [21:00:35] (For reference, this is the right channel, but... I don't know the answer. Hopefully someone else will come along that does) [21:03:01] Herr_Kriss: It looks like it's ignoring the template contents. It's counting from 1 to 2 and then when it gets to the template, it ignores any references within it and continues after it with a 3, but the 3 is actually still pointing to the 6 – "What Are Finger Traps?" if you click on it in VE, even though it looks like it would point to "Chinese Finger Trap". [21:03:53] The same thing happens here https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi. If you try editing the article in VE, it displays the ref. [12] at the end of the lead as a [4] ignoring the infobox references. [21:03:57] Srdjan_m: thanks. Do you think I should report it on some bugzilla? [21:05:02] yeah, you should probably report on https://phabriactor.wikimedia.org [21:05:05] ok [21:05:20] I'm so excited! After 11 years as wiki editor, I found a bug! :3 [21:05:34] that means that either I'm blind or Mediawiki is a nice soft [21:05:36] :P [21:06:17] Most likely, the issue is some sort of intermittent cache clearing thing [21:07:55] Seems like this was already reported. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95176 [21:09:13] Or it's just a really similar bug to this one because this happens while editing. [21:15:36] hm, maybe [21:23:03] badon: Srdjan_m - it seems that's not worth reporting [21:23:08] I see the problem was elsewhere [21:23:23] https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chi%C5%84ska_pu%C5%82apka_na_palce&type=revision&diff=45167199&oldid=44418222 [21:23:28] fakt=citation needed [21:23:45] the
    was inside citation needed template [21:25:37] hmm, or not. I thought that mediawiki embed ul in span, but HTML looks ok [21:26:19] Herr_Kriss: Well, if anything, I got to read about Chinese finger traps. [21:26:44] ;) [23:24:01] More bugs at nowiki, T128299 [23:24:02] T128299: Table editing in VisualEditor broken for Firefox - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128299 [23:28:49] hey wiki, having trouble enabling visual editor [23:29:49] under beta feature, option is not visible to select, javascript is enabled on firefox snd chrome