[14:08:50] hi there [14:08:56] hi. [14:09:24] im a software dev [14:09:50] i was asking in the main channel if there were any efforts being made to create an editor tool [14:10:10] i'm just looking at the variety of plugins and things like that recommended on wikipedia [14:10:12] * andre__ wonders what the "main channel" is :) [14:10:14] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor ? [14:10:27] sorry, #wikipedia-en-help [14:10:56] ah [14:10:58] and I should have linked to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor instead I guess [14:13:06] without screenshots it's taking a bit of time to figure out the whole tool :P [14:13:59] "Limited browser support — Right now, VisualEditor only works in the most modern versions of Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Internet Explorer. It does not work in very old versions of any browser. Support for Opera is limited." [14:14:04] so it's not really a standalone app [14:15:09] C0pr, it requires a browser, if that is your definition of "standalone app" [14:15:22] You can always try it on e.g. https://test2.wikipedia.org/ or such [14:16:26] but there are no plans in Wikimedia that I'm aware of to rewrite Microsoft Word for your desktop computer, indeed. :P [14:18:03] well, fortunately there are developers with a bit more spirit than yourself ;) [14:18:19] this is the VisualEditor isn't it? http://i.imgur.com/t1UcrRZ.png [14:18:32] in a nutshell [14:19:36] I have lots of spirits in my bar! And fortunately I'm not a developer! :) [14:19:50] yes, that's a screenshot from VE [14:20:26] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor links to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor:Test [14:20:32] i see [14:20:34] where there is an "Edit" button to test it yourself [14:20:47] yeah that's how i got the screenshot [14:20:50] ah [14:21:14] i'm surprised there's nothing more up to the level of wikipedia than that [14:21:35] not for readers of course or ocasional editors but maybe for people doing more heavy duty contributions [14:21:54] and i can only assume people is deterred from becoming heavy duty contributors with such heinous tools [14:21:58] (like myself) [14:22:54] errm. "nothing more"? Define your expectations, please. [14:23:07] Heavy contributors use bots. [14:23:19] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Bots [14:23:41] i was just checking at bots [14:23:51] Technically, VE is already at the very edge of what browser technology allows nowadays. [14:24:09] I more or less saw it's built with node and stuff [14:24:10] If you have specific questions about VE, #mediawiki-visualeditor might be a good place [14:24:16] but that doesn't automatically make it good [14:24:51] C0pr: and it does not automatically make it bad either, except for when you think that programming language / framework XYZ is good and ABC is bad [14:24:52] no, i think VE falls short of what makes a good experience good. But i'm just a novice editor [14:25:02] ? [14:25:09] no, i'm actually a Node developer [14:25:18] but if you want underlying technology to influence judgement... well, okay then. Different personal criteria, I guess. [14:25:23] ah :) [14:25:38] take it easy mate, i'm not trying to be an ass or anything [14:26:04] If it falls short, your feedback is welcome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Feedback [14:26:11] so developers know what to improve [14:28:25] don't get me wrong, VE is far better than the whacky text editor [14:29:03] but it's just an improved text editor. I was thinking something integrated with notifications, page replies, page discussions, edit history etc [14:29:24] more of a "tool" on its own to make life easier [14:30:05] i'm just finding out right now if there's even a need for that, maybe i'm just the only one scared by how 2001 everything works [14:30:24] How would "integration with notifications" look like? [14:30:29] VE integrates with Flow [14:30:34] (discussion pages) [14:30:48] I don't see how it is not integrated with Echo (notifications) either. Or how to integrate it more... :) [14:31:14] BC you have your spirits in the bar! haha [14:31:22] but you probably have ideas. Share them. :) [14:31:24] and I still don't know enough about VE or editing needs [14:32:46] i just found myself having to reply to an edit war and...it's not even forum-like. And i don't mean phpBB like, but maybe it should be more like Discourse [14:34:20] i'm also not quite sure why are there no gamification techniques. Not only to motivate and retain loyal editors but to enforce good contributions [14:34:28] but that's for another day [14:45:41] well andre__, thanks for the indications, i'll keep digging