[00:11:48] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Redrose64 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692127064 edit summary: [+290] /* Notification look change */ see [[WT:Echo#Notification icon colours]] [00:46:23] Who turned on wm-bot? [00:46:39] * Katie eyes ori. [00:46:48] petan, I think. [00:46:56] I thought you said new sections only. [00:57:01] yes, it was petan's idea. [01:06:45] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by XXN link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692133613 edit summary: [+272] /* Usage of template parameters (Tracking) */ [01:11:57] petan: where/when can we discuss the use of wm-bot in this channel? [01:12:16] * robla would be fine with a Phab ticket or something [01:45:32] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by PrimeHunter link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692138536 edit summary: [+243] /* Usage of template parameters (Tracking) */ Your test code does work [02:29:54] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Mr. Stradivarius link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692143813 edit summary: [+1321] /* Usage of template parameters (Tracking) */ replies [03:38:26] that's... not what pressing return on a comment was meant to do... [03:38:45] robla, re: wm-bot: search scrollback for "VPT" - that's all the discussion there was (between 10am and 11:06am, 2 days ago, specifically) [04:29:02] thanks quiddity, I see now. So far, the VPT stuff isn't _too_ cluttery, but it would be nifty if we could make a wm-bot patch to limit VPT posts to new items rather than diffs [04:29:02] Hey robla, you are welcome! [04:30:43] (where "we" is the royal "we"...i.e. "someone") [05:32:09] I think it's clutter. [05:32:23] And English-centric. [05:33:02] Yeah, I agree with both. I'm not sure I like it, even though it was my idea (I think?). [06:36:19] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Mr. Stradivarius link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692167939 edit summary: [+386] /* Usage of template parameters (Tracking) */ [[Module:ParameterCount]] [06:46:11] Definitely no en.wiki VPT here please. [06:46:28] (Personally I ignore wm-bot so I'm fine.) [06:49:49] Also, if chatty bots are welcome here again, I'd like to have the traditional ones back, like icinga-wm, so that people don't go to #wikimedia-operations to be chatty. [08:32:15] hi [08:34:03] is there a way VE does not insert property and = of a template? just insert variable? [08:36:05] maybe it could be influenced by td? [08:57:15] I don't understand the question. [10:55:59] I got a 429 error doing a simple search on Commons O_o [11:06:53] Nemo_bis: example: https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seznam_chr%C3%A1n%C4%9Bn%C3%BDch_%C3%BAzem%C3%AD_v_okrese_Plze%C5%88-sever&curid=617708&diff=13076070&oldid=13075248 [11:07:28] instead of "Kategorie = Bažantnice (nature reserve)" we need just "Bažantnice (nature reserve)" to be inserted [11:07:59] now I am not sure if that is a problem of a template itself that it dont work properly with VE or we can fix it via TD? [11:17:07] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by ClueBot III link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692190413 edit summary: [-7092] Archiving 6 discussions to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 141]]. (BOT) [12:00:58] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Dr. Blofeld link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692194035 edit summary: [+735] /* Usage of template parameters (Tracking) */ [12:02:06] is content-translation substing templates automatically normal? [12:02:19] or something that should be reported to phab? [12:04:46] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Dr. Blofeld link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692194402 edit summary: [+1064] /* Browsing */ [12:04:58] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Dr. Blofeld link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692194415 edit summary: [+130] /* Browsing */ [12:22:23] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Iridescent link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692196035 edit summary: [+1100] /* Browsing */ Thoughts [12:45:38] revi: does https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation/Product_Definition/Templates + https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation/Documentation/FAQ#How_will_templates_be_handled.3F_How_are_you_handling_infoboxes.3F help? [12:52:18] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by XXN link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692198478 edit summary: [+138] /* Usage of template parameters (Tracking) */ TY [13:52:02] Nemo_bis: nope [13:52:31] according to local VP (tech) ref templates are being subst'ed. [13:56:28] see raw of [[ko:데이터 흐름 분석]]. is a big problem [13:56:30] @link [13:56:30] https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%eb%8d%b0%ec%9d%b4%ed%84%b0_%ed%9d%90%eb%a6%84_%eb%b6%84%ec%84%9d [14:23:03] TimStarling, is there an easy way to handle the \127...\127 parser tags? so that i can insert them during template expansion, but have a hook to handle them after parsing is done? [14:25:20] revi: well, some templates are handled netter than others, so you can always try and ask to map one you care about [14:45:39] I am really crazy from those Template Data [14:46:09] even the editor and syntax looks good, when come to something wont work, I dont know where to found a clue [17:15:40] Can someone take a look at this task? It's been there for more than a month now. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115812 [17:17:22] Srdjan_m, it's waiting to be fixed on gerrit, I'll take a look later on [17:45:10] cookies52: Alright, cheers. [18:25:07] hey lightning talks participants, AV person here. Let me know if you have any questions about joining the Hangout [18:25:23] friendly reminder: wear headphones please :) [18:26:50] Srdjan_m: Hey [18:27:26] Srdjan_m: https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-section-characters [18:27:34] Srdjan_m: That is the message for the wiki editor toolbar [18:27:55] When you click on it, it folds out and there is multiple sections (latin, latin extended, IPA, greek etc.) [18:28:03] The message seems to be working fine? [18:30:37] Krinkle: Is it displaying the same content as on that MediaWiki: page for you? [18:31:34] https://bs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gole%C5%A1i&action=edit shows "Posebni znakovi" for the toolbar [18:31:47] and "proširena latinica" for the latin extended section when you click on it [18:31:49] sj [18:31:57] Srdjan_m: [18:32:46] Krinkle: Hm, still shows the old one for me. [18:32:52] Define old one [18:33:05] which one, toolbar or section-latinextended? [18:33:08] What do you see? [18:33:57] Ah 'latinica' instead of latinski [18:34:08] Krinkle: This http://i.imgur.com/Vf3Z9Y6.png [18:35:05] Krinkle: It's using these old messages, ie https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Special-characters-group-latinextended/bs&oldid=6086578 [18:35:53] It's the same on https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki&action=edit&uselang=bs [18:36:02] So it's not a bug with caching for that wiki [18:39:55] If it means anything, it is working on TranslateWiki: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User:Srdjan_m&action=edit&uselang=bs [18:41:10] Well, almost. The "special-characters-group-arabic" message and another one aren't the latest. But still. [18:56:34] Reminder: Lightning Talks start in 5 minutes! [19:01:54] brendan_campbell: do you have the On-air hangout URL? [19:02:32] spagewmf: yeah one sec [19:05:17] * milimetric needs the URL too [19:05:25] has it started without us? :( [19:05:39] AndyRussG: This banner count format would adapt nicely to CentralNotice! [19:06:00] milimetric: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE3lSfs1dzc [19:06:55] thanks awight! [19:07:31] we have a youtube stream currently going, but if you feel strongly about joining the hangout for QA purposes ----> https://hangouts.google.com/call/32rjvb3ckiiwdjuezx4sljypyma [19:07:31] keep in mind that there are only 14 slots in the hangout...friendly reminder: please mute your mic and camera upon entry [19:08:33] what?! Horses are way better than dogs [19:09:01] ha ha [19:09:05] byron: I'm hearing a (quiet) high-pitched square wave behind Marcel's voice. Is it just me? [19:09:07] Question about the Pageview API: How far back do we have historical data for? [19:09:20] it's brendan_campbell btw [19:09:30] but yeah it's a weird oscillation i hear it too [19:09:34] not on SF's end [19:09:38] guillom: May 2015 - but currently only a month, will be backfilled soon upto may 2015 [19:09:38] i.e. what's the earliest we can get metrics for [19:09:39] guillom: we have data back to May, but it's not all loaded yet [19:09:59] Thank you both [19:10:04] :) [19:10:16] Question about pageviews and RESTBase: does RESTBase cache answers ? [19:10:32] RESTBase doesn't, but Varnish does [19:10:38] I'm actually not sure for how long [19:10:45] I'd like to discuss using this for CentralNotice [19:11:01] So is the WMF planning to provide a replacement for stats.grok.se? Or is that what the demo is for? [19:11:19] not hearing the questions, mic is cutting out? [19:11:42] thanks questioner, super-awesome [19:11:43] ebernhardson: me too [19:11:44] awight: sweet :) it may not make sense depending on how hard you need to hit it, but we can figure something out [19:11:51] yeah mic at office not working well [19:11:54] lots of static [19:11:56] stand by [19:11:57] marcel is not muted, maybe? [19:12:03] oh ok, mic check [19:12:41] mforns_meeting: mute while you aren't talking? [19:13:04] not sure if thats it, he's got a headset on and he can't hear the question either [19:13:04] Q by Haitham: How hard is it to convert data from stats grok to use with the pageview api [19:13:11] please restate [19:13:14] its almost impossible to here people in the office [19:13:16] hear* [19:13:27] im pausing the talk [19:13:28] stand by [19:13:45] Kevin is talking about switch to the new pageview definition from May on [19:14:15] madhuvishy: thank you! [19:14:19] whatever someone just did, the quality of the audio just vastly improved [19:14:28] it's brutal for sure [19:14:30] Seddon: +1 [19:14:31] in-room mic + "quiet storm" Kevin Ldeuc = inaudible [19:14:33] guillom: no replacement for stats.grok.se is planned right now. We purposefully made the demo very bare-bones so that others can take that and make a new stats.grok.se if they like [19:14:41] thanks milimetric [19:15:07] we're going to wait a bit and see if people take us up on that. If nobody does, we'll probably host something :) [19:15:15] sound wonderful :) [19:15:18] sound better for everyone? [19:15:36] google hangout freakout. i exited the hangout and re-entered, fixed the problem [19:15:51] so much clearer from the office [19:18:21] dmitry: What is this taxonomy based on? Are there metadata for the schema? [19:18:21] ?? are they parsing content HTML for pronunciation or is it stored in some page pro? [19:20:54] question for Dmitry: fantastic API for any client showing this info, will we declare it stable for others to use/ [19:20:55] i missed, did he say this is maps.wikimedia.org ? [19:21:06] (the tiles from it i mean) [19:21:09] i believe thats what he is suggesting [19:21:14] link preview for maps!!! to quote Kung Fu Hustle... "I didn't know the Lion's Roar could be done with a speaker!" [19:21:24] awesome :D [19:21:26] follow-on for Dmitry, is Hovercards/Popups extension going to use this? [19:21:58] Cool, thanks! [19:21:59] serving from our tileserver via mapbox which is presenting the overlaid wikipedia points [19:22:07] Asking, cos I'd like to add more optional fields [19:22:14] e.g. CentralNotice's campaign and banner info [19:22:41] We still need to create an API to give results at low zoom levels:) [19:22:48] nicely styled might I add [19:24:35] I still have my question about when we declare this stable. [19:25:21] OK, I'll ask it directly [19:25:45] yes! thanks [19:29:43] Wheee--no unique user ID! [19:29:48] Question for Andrew later: How many of our users have browsers with LocalStorage support? [19:30:08] (since we're using that to store the history) [19:32:32] I appreciate all the steps taken to protect user privacy and limit tracking. [19:36:18] Thank you [19:36:28] +1, and to make it transparent to the end user [19:37:21] my browser console often shows a local storage full warning, but I'm not seeing it right now [19:38:54] lost the audio [19:38:57] (back) [19:39:35] did anyone else lose audio? [19:39:55] My audio is still good [19:40:05] I'd prefer this stacked bar graph as a multiple line graph instead, with each category normalized to 1 [19:40:36] We just missed the end of Danny's talk? [19:40:59] danny is currently presenting [19:41:17] The "satisfaction by years active" chart is quite telling. [19:41:18] OK sorry it must be just me. I hear SLaporte [19:41:44] watch i will prove it :) [19:41:48] (ignore me!) [19:42:03] SLaporte? are people in a different hangout? [19:42:42] dhorn: there's also the interpretation that people dropped out, so only the dedicated remain [19:42:55] i could easily believe the longer people being here the less they like the foundation [19:43:35] That could also be happening--we would need a longitudinal study to tell [19:51:20] spagewmf: using firefox and multiple wikipedias? FF limits localstorage to 5MB across all subdomains, which ResourceLoader can fill up really fast [19:54:25] why isn't this WUaS improving https://wikiversity.org/ [19:58:41] mforns, around? [19:58:51] yurik, yes! [19:59:08] what's up? [19:59:26] mforns, awesome presentation, i will try to 1) do a graph that shows current page usage stats, and 2) i'm thinking of how to use that api to prioritize POIs on the map [19:59:46] the tag can use that data fairly easily [20:00:09] yurik, that's great! [20:00:51] Thanks everyone! [20:01:01] (not a question) I have no idea what this WUaS is. Is it just big plans built up from mundane http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-05-quantum-physics-ii-fall-2013/ ? [20:01:56] Mneisler: thanks!! [20:01:58] yurik, probably you will be interested in joining https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112956 [20:02:15] here's where we are discussing possible improvements and new features of the pageview api [20:03:00] kevinator: ^ thanks too!! [20:03:12] yurik, I imagine that to prioritize POIs, you'll be interested in one of the features we're currently discussing: to be able to query for several articles at the same time [20:03:44] kevinator: thanks man! [20:06:57] mforns, be careful with multiple articles feature - bad for caching )) - its usually better to issue multiple HTTP requests and let varnish handle them [20:08:22] yurik, makes total sense, I'll share that with the team [20:08:22] also, i think it won't be very useful at all - because i need to attach pageviews as weights to all geo-searching - did you see what dbrant was showing? he was showing POIs as returned for the current location, but when he zoomed out, they still were showing just the local ones [20:08:44] so i will probably have to download the dump [20:08:57] and cross-match it to the gps search [20:09:15] yurik, aha [20:10:49] yurik, I think we're not planning to deliver pageviews by geolocation in the api for security reasons [20:11:55] mforns, how do you mean?? i'm talking about the api that MaxSem was working on - ability to say "give me a list of articles nearby to these gps coords" [20:12:48] the problem is that you need to account for the "visible radius" - so that you get points of interest that exist in that circle/bounding box [20:12:52] yurik, sure! I was just pointing out that in the pageview api we'll not serve pageviews by location [20:13:04] oh, that, no, don't need that [20:13:08] articles by locations is fine :] [20:13:28] would be cool to get some general stats by country/region, but no more than that [20:13:38] or even city ;) [20:13:42] yurik, yes :] [20:14:32] anyway, re geocoord search - when you request a list of POIs that are located inside a bounding box, you need to prioritize them - as you might have too many. So a good way to do it is by popularity [20:14:53] but this involves anonymization to protect small buckets and we have to be very careful [20:15:07] aha [20:15:41] so if we can upload pageviews into the geo-search engine (without exposing the actual numbers), the geo-search will be able to sort them properly and return top N [20:16:05] I see [20:16:59] e.g. for bound box [N,E,S,W], give top 20 POIs [20:17:11] I don't see any reason not to do that, it even doesn't need to be last minute stats, you can import and cross-match every month? [20:17:25] sure [20:17:49] might be multiple lists - per language wiki [20:17:54] sure [20:18:07] MaxSem, do we support POI weighting? [20:18:54] nope [20:19:17] geosearch is direct matching ordered by distance [20:20:05] MaxSem, are there any engines that can use a different sort order - by bounding box? [20:26:55] yurik, anyway, I think this is worth discussing, I will share with the team. and feel free to comment on the phab task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112956 [20:31:08] yurik, eewwww? [20:31:19] "sort by bounding box"??? [20:39:48] MaxSem, e.g. given a bounding box, get a list of top N POIs sorted by some POI weight (in this case - article popularity). [20:40:04] instead of getting "closest to GPS coords" [20:44:40] Is there a way to have the "create account" link show up for only admins? [20:45:18] ceramicskulls: I assume this is a #mediawiki question? [20:45:25] Yes [20:46:47] See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Removing_the_Login_link_from_all_pages , but better is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount ; further questions on the matter at #mediawiki please :) [20:46:59] Nemo_bis: I just assumed it would be a tech question but thanks! [20:51:23] is dannyh around? [20:51:30] i can totally explain his numbers [22:29:08] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Od Mishehu link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692322300 edit summary: [+431] /* Could we NOINDEX File: namespace pages that have non-free images? */ [22:36:57] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Brandmeister link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692323211 edit summary: [+462] /* Standalone */ new section [22:42:44] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Brandmeister link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692323931 edit summary: [+1] [22:45:13] woohoo https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/extension-distributor-downloads (thanks to addshore) [22:45:23] ostriches: ^ [22:47:25] I just saw :D [22:47:28] Yay graphs! [22:47:29] :D [22:47:35] Yay pretty things [22:47:57] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Maile66 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692324581 edit summary: [+377] /* "maintenance" in the upper left corner of this page */ new section [22:54:45] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by PrimeHunter link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692325313 edit summary: [+196] /* Stray */ {{WikiProject Libya}} had an incorrect edit yesterday [22:59:25] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by PrimeHunter link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692325875 edit summary: [+247] /* "maintenance" in the upper left corner of this page */ I don't see it [23:01:39] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Pipetricker link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692326158 edit summary: [-8] /* Stray */ fixing headings in the edit summary, hopefully [23:08:31] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Pipetricker link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692326922 edit summary: [+0] /* Stray */ I meant: fixing the heading in edit summaries – another try using [23:14:43] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Pipetricker link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692327517 edit summary: [+72] /* Stray */ maybe using character references in the heading will work? [23:21:49] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Maile66 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692328266 edit summary: [+475] /* "maintenance" in the upper left corner of this page */ oddity [23:21:57] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Pipetricker link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692328282 edit summary: [+2] /* Stray </noinclude> */ It looks odd in the edit summary, but seems like it will work – [[Wikipedia:Dummy edit|dummy edit]] to verify [23:31:14] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Pipetricker link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692329329 edit summary: [-2] /* Stray </noinclude> */ Success! Using character entities in the heading avoids breaking the edit summary! Is this documented somewhere?