[00:02:42] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Redrose64 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691907150 edit summary: [+427] /* Dusty articles */ bot op [03:21:47] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by B137 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691932288 edit summary: [+657] /* Widescreen, default text size, picture madness */ [03:22:23] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by B137 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691932360 edit summary: [+1] /* Widescreen, default text size, picture madness */ [04:47:47] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by ClueBot III link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691941264 edit summary: [-21012] Archiving 9 discussions to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 141]]. (BOT) [04:48:19] ehh.. [04:57:28] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by JG66 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691942146 edit summary: [+559] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ new section [05:01:07] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by B137 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691942471 edit summary: [+262] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ [06:12:56] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by TheDJ link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691949954 edit summary: [+322] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ use the template [06:41:06] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Checkingfax link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691952289 edit summary: [+502] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ another template [06:42:11] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Checkingfax link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691952388 edit summary: [+4] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ refine template display [07:15:24] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by JG66 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691954837 edit summary: [+301] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ r & ty [07:55:52] [[Tech]]; ArchiverBot; Bot: Archiving 1 thread (older than 30 days) to [[Tech/Archives/2015]].; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14774655&oldid=14761643&rcid=7041759 [08:13:02] [[Tech]]; WQFEWFWQEF; /* @@DELL=HP printer (((+I_888_225_0141))) tech support phone number, DELL=HPprinter USA technical support phone number@@ */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14774890&oldid=14774655&rcid=7041887 [08:13:43] [[Tech]]; WQFEWFWQEF; /* //**1*888*225*OI4I**// HP/DELL Printer Tech Support Phone Number HP/DELL Printer Technical Support Phone Number HP/DELL Customer Support Phone Number */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14774897&oldid=14774890&rcid=7041895 [08:16:05] [[Tech]]; Syum90; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/WQFEWFWQEF|WQFEWFWQEF]] ([[User talk:WQFEWFWQEF|talk]]) to last version by ArchiverBot; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14774940&oldid=14774897&rcid=7041934 [09:22:44] [[Tech]]; Exajackson; /* Lexmark ~~|1-877-509-0415!!| %% *^$## ~!!Printer Customer Help Support USA!! */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14775724&oldid=14774940&rcid=7042168 [09:22:59] [[Tech]]; Syum90; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Exajackson|Exajackson]] ([[User talk:Exajackson|talk]]) to last version by Syum90; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14775726&oldid=14775724&rcid=7042170 [10:28:37] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Redrose64 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691976301 edit summary: [+383] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ I use {{user sandbox}} [10:29:12] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Redrose64 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691976357 edit summary: [+1] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ better [11:28:32] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by JG66 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691980707 edit summary: [+164] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ r [11:28:46] This might not be the right place for this ... but does anyone know what's going on here?: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_15/bn [11:29:21] I was thinking it's an issue with the way Bengali handles dates... but it's just {{#time: U }} which I would assume is universal [11:31:19] foks: nope, the numbers do change in bengali [11:31:24] ১৪৪৮২৭৮২৬৬ [11:31:28] That's super lame. [11:31:32] :P [11:31:46] Alright. So is it fixable? [11:32:01] I guess probably not. Unless there's some way to force it to use the Arabic numerals [11:32:14] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Finnusertop link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691980966 edit summary: [+2721] /* Could we NOINDEX File: namespace pages that have non-free images? */ "In light of the [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#User sandbox appears in google search|above discussion]] about [[Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing|NOINDEX]], I'd ..." [11:33:10] Why do you want that? [11:33:29] Because right now it displays a big error message [11:33:47] Just for Bengali, the other languages (which use arabic) are fine [11:34:58] Right now it says "Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "�". [11:37:04] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Glaisher link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691981344 edit summary: [+19] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ tracked on T104797 [11:37:10] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Graeme Bartlett link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691981351 edit summary: [+333] /* Could we NOINDEX File: namespace pages that have non-free images? */ no need [11:39:24] foks: did you try the advice at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23expr on formatnum:|R ? [11:39:35] I did not, thanks for the pointer. [11:39:53] Ah, that mass of red is an error. I thought it was an elaborate graphic banner. ^^ [11:40:05] Hah ;) [11:40:18] A very ... abstract graphic banner. ;) [11:40:38] That looks perfect actually. [11:41:11] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F3007441 [11:41:49] Yup. :( [11:50:59] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Finnusertop link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691982502 edit summary: [+1046] /* Could we NOINDEX File: namespace pages that have non-free images? */ Thanks for the reply, {{u|Graeme Bartlett}}. To emphasize: I'm not worried about reuse by ''Google'' (there are court cases that say Google's reuse of images as thumbnails is okay)... [11:58:03] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Ricky81682 link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691983051 edit summary: [+555] /* Could we NOINDEX File: namespace pages that have non-free images? */ [12:21:56] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Finnusertop link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691985012 edit summary: [+1487] /* Could we NOINDEX File: namespace pages that have non-free images? */ [12:44:39] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by GiantSnowman link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=691987154 edit summary: [+120] /* TOC right */ rsp [13:17:43] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by PrimeHunter link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692003262 edit summary: [+687] /* TOC right */ works for me [13:22:33] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by GiantSnowman link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692003759 edit summary: [+202] /* TOC right */ rsp [13:46:40] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Lugnuts link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692016156 edit summary: [+235] /* Notification look change */ [16:56:19] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Fylbecatulous link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692064950 edit summary: [+453] /* Notification look change */ comment negatively [17:53:06] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by JohnCD link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692077121 edit summary: [+515] /* Excluding bot edits from watchlist */ new section [17:56:10] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by GiantSnowman link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692077587 edit summary: [+184] /* TOC right */ resolved [18:00:10] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by TheDJ link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692078242 edit summary: [+215] /* User sandbox appears in google search */ config change deployed [18:09:12] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by TheDJ link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692079571 edit summary: [+481] /* Could we NOINDEX File: namespace pages that have non-free images? */ i reiterate, solving the wrong problem. [18:14:57] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Resolute link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692080402 edit summary: [+226] /* Excluding bot edits from watchlist */ Preferences [18:26:48] hi [18:26:51] Nemo_bis? [18:27:43] wait... no Chanserv in here? :0 [18:32:38] Cookies52: We have mark :-) [18:41:15] multichill, right.... whoever that may be :P [18:47:02] Hi Austrian rfarrand [18:51:18] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by JohnCD link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692085760 edit summary: [+385] /* Excluding bot edits from watchlist */ reply [19:13:28] hi multichill :) [19:14:26] rfarrand: When are you heading in this direction? [19:14:33] soon! Wed morning [19:14:42] I hope you have cleared out your schedule? [19:15:05] A bunch of us are all on the same flight [19:19:12] * DanielK_WMDE waves at rfarrand [19:19:25] hey! DanielK_WMDE [19:19:41] we are cooking dinner now, you should be here with us! we will cheers to you [19:19:53] I'm working in the morning this Wednesday, rest of the day is free for Erasmus [19:19:56] you too multichill :) [19:20:03] OK, how about Tuesday? [19:20:10] **thursday [19:20:16] and friday? [19:20:24] working all day? [19:20:24] Work? [19:20:36] Can you be remote and co-work with us somewhere? [19:21:25] or can you tour the city instead? ;) [19:24:58] multichill ^ [19:25:54] Yeah, I'm quite flexible [19:26:22] Where are you staying rfarrand? Amsterdam or Utrecht? [19:26:42] WEd night in Amsterdam and the rest in Utrecht [19:26:46] ok good! [19:27:03] dutch winter [19:27:30] Windy and rainy [19:33:03] Vienna is the same [20:26:46] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by MediaWiki message delivery link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692098467 edit summary: [+3141] /* Tech News: 2015-48 */ new section [20:38:51] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Cpiral link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692099935 edit summary: [+341] /* Excluding bot edits from watchlist */ bit off topic [20:45:33] yay! https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/analytics/2015-November/004529.html [20:54:57] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Nyttend link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692101928 edit summary: [+2024] /* Misleading expiry time for protection */ More details [21:00:25] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Nyttend link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692102655 edit summary: [+95] /* image tidy-up */ Got it [21:18:48] [[Tech]]; Tusharcmdelhi; /* 1-888-413-3809 FREE A.V.G Antivirus t.e.c.h s.u.p.p.o.r.t canada phone number */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14786118&oldid=14775726&rcid=7044309 [21:20:06] [[Tech]]; Bsadowski1; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Tusharcmdelhi|Tusharcmdelhi]] ([[User talk:Tusharcmdelhi|talk]]) to last version by Syum90; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14786132&oldid=14786118&rcid=7044310 [22:11:44] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by XXN link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692112288 edit summary: [+502] /* Tech News: 2015-48 */ [22:54:10] what does our menu of realistic options look like for new minimum PHP version numbers? [22:54:42] * robla is hoping to have a short list on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118932 [22:54:48] robla: 5.4 [22:55:05] ori, are we finally upgraded in prod? [22:55:16] there's one host left, and _joe_ will reimage it this week [22:55:19] (tin) [22:55:30] \m/ [22:55:39] weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [22:56:17] is there anyone making a compelling argument to skip forward to 5.5 or 5.6? [22:56:57] pretty sure 3rd parties will object [22:57:49] robla: I don't think there is one, in hindsight. I could see an argument for aggressively moving from 5.4 to 5.5 in the near future, but not for skipping 5.4 entirely. [22:59:07] so...the Wednesday meeting could be as simple as "we're planning to make the new minimum PHP 5.4. Any objections? (silence) Great, done here!" [23:00:38] robla: 5.6 would be out, but 5.5 is in Trusty, so that would be a reason to choose it (ie it's in an ubuntu lts) [23:02:08] I guess 5.4 makes some sense with the amount of client wikis that seem to be using it [23:04:18] bd808 pointed out the possible reason to jump to 5.5: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118932#1815405 in short, if we're lusting after generators or try/catch/finally support [23:05:15] * robla wants try/catch/whatevs support [23:05:36] maybe try/catch/anyhoo [23:05:55] I guess if we went for 5.4, we should plan a rough timeline to bump fof 5.5; whether 1.28 or something [23:06:53] https://secure.php.net/supported-versions.php 5.4 is no longer supported [23:07:02] so I think there's a reasonable argument to go directly to 5.5 [23:07:05] Mmm [23:07:12] What's the next MW LTS version? [23:07:36] I'd be interested in which linux distros are shipping 5.4 [23:08:32] Reedy: 1.27 if it's the same schedule [23:09:06] Presumably not ubuntu (or any supported version of ubuntu anyway) [23:09:42] When will PHP drop 5.5 support? [23:09:51] Jul 10, 2016 [23:09:58] Which is ~3 months after 1.27 will come out [23:10:21] Active support for 5.5 is passed, just security [23:11:23] HHVM is claiming 5.6 support, correct? [23:11:43] yes [23:13:07] Someone pointed out too that we might have to start versioning hhvm support differently too at some point [23:13:32] do we have any Wikimedia cluster reason not to declare 5.6 the new minimum? (e.g. any Zend holdouts on our cluster?) [23:13:49] wikitech/silver [23:14:04] It's still PHP5.5 and I can't imagine ops wanting to backport and support 5.4 to 14.04 [23:14:15] *5.6 to 14.04 [23:14:41] There was a discussion about why silver hasn't been moved to hhvm [23:15:04] * robla starts looking for silver docs since he isn't familiar with that system [23:15:32] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Version [23:15:39] 5.6 being the minimum would prevent people from using trusty [23:16:02] and newer releases of MW [23:16:09] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98813 is the ticket for silver -> hhvm [23:17:06] yeah, 5.6 as minimum would mean that there are no ubuntu LTS versions that could run MW, as 16.04 isn't out yet [23:17:14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_.28Xenial_Xerus.29 [23:17:55] so really, the realistic choices are 5.4 and 5.5. I'm assuming 5.3 should be dead to us. [23:18:10] I think so [23:18:17] No point supporting 5.3 further [23:21:05] Looks like 5.3 has been the minimum since 1.20 [23:22:49] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98813 wikitech isn't exactly a standard [23:28:04] it has various extensions wmf don't use anywhere else [23:28:24] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Mr. Stradivarius link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692122152 edit summary: [+665] /* Usage of template parameters (Tracking) */ reply [23:49:08] Change on 12en.wikipedia.org a page Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) was modified, changed by Mr. Stradivarius link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=692124333 edit summary: [+621] /* Usage of template parameters (Tracking) */ sort code doesn't work