[01:52:20] <spagewmf>	 prtksxna: you around?
[01:53:04] <spagewmf>	 prtksxna: can you make VolerE and Spage admins of Nova_Resource:Design so we can reboot l-s-g.design ?
[03:30:21] <Negative24>	 spagewmf: quick question, do you know why the LSG at livingstyleguide.wmflabs.org has a FOUSC when loaded?
[03:30:55] <Negative24>	 *FOUC
[03:31:33] <spagewmf>	 Negative24: no, I wish I did. That server is incredibly slow since I git-updated it, I'm waiting to get admin to reboot it.
[03:31:59] <Negative24>	 oh yea. per your request in #-labs
[03:32:18] <spagewmf>	 Negative24: hmm, I see the FOUC locally as well.  ummm, patches welcome ? :-)
[03:32:25] <Negative24>	 :P
[03:33:48] <spagewmf>	 Negative24: we reorg'd the code at least once to avoid FOUC...
[03:36:40] <yuvipanda>	 spagewmf: sorry, debbuging a logging outage, can't get to the design one
[03:37:03] <Negative24>	 ouch
[03:38:58] <spagewmf>	 no worries
[05:52:43] <comets>	 why does url in mw wii have something like "&action=compare-header-revisions&header_newRevision=spi8c78h5hoj8yw7" now?
[05:52:49] <comets>	 mw-wiki*
[05:53:34] <comets>	 and how does one revert this shit?
[05:56:18] <comets>	 "[2dae9811] 2015-09-24 05:55:26: Fatal exception of type "Flow\Exception\WikitextException"" flow sux
[05:57:21] <Nemo_bis>	 comets: where did you get such an URL? RC?
[06:02:18] <comets>	 ya
[06:02:40] <comets>	 tried "undo"ing, got that error..
[06:05:30] <comets>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Shirayuki odd , if flow would look like this on enwiki soon, i don't want it :/
[06:07:50] <Nemo_bis>	 comets: that user doesn't seem to want it either; no replies to any message since it was enabled :)
[06:38:27] <prtksxna>	 spagewmf: I see that you and Volker are already admins. I guess yuvipanda got time to do it…
[06:38:42] <yuvipanda>	 prtksxna: I didn't doo anything
[06:38:44] <yuvipanda>	 *do
[06:39:09] <prtksxna>	 yuvipanda: I do remember doing it a long time ago, but I wasn't sure
[06:40:20] <yuvipanda>	 :D
[06:40:21] <yuvipanda>	 ok
[06:46:21] <comets>	 lol
[11:59:26] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frankbaby42097; /* 총판모집∞√∞카톡: live82∞√∞총판모집합니다 ¤토토총판합니다 */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13780720&oldid=13765430&rcid=6823176
[11:59:45] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frankbaby42097; /* 총판모집합니다∞√∞카톡: live82∞√∞놀이터총판 ¤토토총판모집 */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13780723&oldid=13780720&rcid=6823177
[12:00:01] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Glaisher; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Frankbaby42097|Frankbaby42097]] ([[User talk:Frankbaby42097|talk]]) to last version by Glaisher; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13780726&oldid=13780723&rcid=6823178
[12:00:22] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frankbaby42097; /* 놀이터총판모집∞√∞카톡: live82∞√∞스포츠토토총판 ¤토토총판사장님 모집합니다 */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13780739&oldid=13780726&rcid=6823187
[12:03:05] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frankbaby42097; /* 총판대리점모집∞√∞카톡: live82∞√∞토토총판구합니다 ¤토토총판홍보 */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13780778&oldid=13780739&rcid=6823207
[12:03:53] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Glaisher; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Frankbaby42097|Frankbaby42097]] ([[User talk:Frankbaby42097|talk]]) to last version by Glaisher; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13780788&oldid=13780778&rcid=6823208
[12:14:21] <ApolloWissen>	 bei mir auchthe wikimediaservers are lagging. do you know why?
[12:14:36] <ApolloWissen>	 forget about the 	"bei mir auch"
[12:15:10] <Glaisher>	 which servers specifically?
[12:15:44] <ApolloWissen>	 on de.wikipedia
[12:15:59] <sjoerddebruin>	 wikidata and nlwiki were slow for me a few seconds ago
[12:16:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 there seem to be problems on labs
[12:17:15] <Glaisher>	 not slow for me here
[12:17:31] <Nemo_bis>	 As usual status.wm.o has conflicted opinions http://status.wikimedia.org/8777/156486/Static-assets-(CSS/JS) http://status.wikimedia.org/8777/163388/Wiki-platform-[[w:fi:Main-Page]]-(s2)
[12:18:02] <Glaisher>	 Data request timeout :D
[12:19:58] <ApolloWissen>	 ok
[12:26:09] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frankbaby42097; /* 총판대리점모집∞√∞카톡: live82∞√∞토토부본사¤토토총판하는법 */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13781038&oldid=13780788&rcid=6823261
[12:26:45] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Glaisher; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Frankbaby42097|Frankbaby42097]] ([[User talk:Frankbaby42097|talk]]) to last version by Glaisher; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13781050&oldid=13781038&rcid=6823269
[15:42:52] <Nikerabbit>	 7
[15:43:58] <greg-g>	 8
[15:54:25] <petan>	 9
[16:11:02] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Hmmm
[16:11:12] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Getting an unusal at Wikisource
[16:11:26] <ShakespeareFan00>	 Lag when updating page status on Proofread page stuff
[16:17:28] <ApolloWissen>	 what language ?(Wikisource)
[16:24:23] <ApolloWissen>	 I had a lag but that was 4 hours ago
[17:01:16] <Nemo_bis>	 brion is still the all-time biggest contributor to MediaWiki core :) https://www.openhub.net/p/mediawiki/contributors/summary
[17:17:53] <Volker_E>	 yuvipanda: prtksxna My name was mentioned? :)
[17:18:31] <prtksxna>	 Volker_E: I was trying to remember if I gave you admin rights on the design project or yuvipanda did
[17:19:12] <Volker_E>	 so S looked it up two days ago, and he said, neither him nor me are admins yet
[17:19:21] <Nemo_bis>	 https://imgur.com/48kwWn2
[17:19:42] <Volker_E>	 lsg is incredibly slow after MW update
[17:20:16] <prtksxna>	 Volker_E: That is weird I checked today morning and you and spagewmf were. Let me check again.
[17:20:44] <Volker_E>	 didn't look it up myself, I just repeat what S said
[17:21:10] <prtksxna>	 Volker_E: Yep, definitely project admins in the design project
[17:22:43] <Volker_E>	 prtksxna: Are you going to participate in the Frontend Standards Group?
[17:23:19] <prtksxna>	 Volker_E: The meetings are super late for me, I mentioned that replying to the invite you had initially sent.
[17:24:24] <Volker_E>	 prtksxna: Hmm, where did you reply?
[17:24:45] <Volker_E>	 I've got four threads, but don't see a reply by you?!
[17:25:04] <prtksxna>	 Volker_E: To the calendar invitation, added a reason for not attending, I assumed it sends the organizer an email
[17:25:06] <Volker_E>	 what's a time that would be best for you?
[17:25:16] <prtksxna>	 Oh, I don't think you were the organizer :(
[17:25:24] <Volker_E>	 which calendar invitation?
[17:25:48] <Volker_E>	 I've never sent one
[17:26:12] <prtksxna>	  /o\
[17:26:39] <Volker_E>	 whatevs
[17:26:51] <prtksxna>	 Volker_E: pm
[17:26:52] <Volker_E>	 what's a time that /might/ work for you?
[20:35:21] <ferdbold>	 I can't seem to get rid of this 404 error on parsoidserver when attempting to open VE :/ Any clues?
[20:35:36] <Krenair>	 what error?
[20:36:32] <ferdbold>	 "Error loading data from server: 404: parsoidserver-http:HTTP 404"
[20:37:08] <ferdbold>	 Normally I get rid of this by running a git update and provisioning Vagrant, but it doesn't work this time
[20:37:44] <Krenair>	 so... if this is your own installation, why are you here instead of #mediawiki-visualeditor?
[20:38:47] <ferdbold>	 Oh right, maybe I can try over there. I thought this problem was related to mediawiki-vagrant so I figured I'd ask here
[20:40:45] <Krenair>	 no... here is not the place to ask
[20:40:56] <Krenair>	 this is about wikimedia wikis
[20:41:27] <ferdbold1>	 Got it, sorry for the mixup :P
[20:53:07] <greg-g>	 gwicke: otto<tab>, is this something to discuss at the Dev Summit? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/details/1474/
[20:53:18] <greg-g>	 #EventBus, that is
[20:55:00] <yuvipanda>	 greg-g: otto is on the way to being on the way to SF
[20:55:04] <yuvipanda>	 greg-g: but very definitely yes
[20:55:58] <greg-g>	 coolio
[21:31:25] <sDrewth>	 onwiki is it possible to get a count of pages per namespace?
[21:32:16] <sDrewth>	 or is that available through the API?
[21:32:39] <sDrewth>	 or do we need to data mine through quarry.wmf?
[21:33:34] <Reedy>	 no and no I think
[21:33:41] <Reedy>	 then yes
[21:33:48] <MusikAnimal>	 probably in here somewhere http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm
[21:34:00] <MusikAnimal>	 but that's enwiki
[21:34:14] <sDrewth>	 that rounds numbers
[21:34:25] <sDrewth>	 two significant figures
[22:00:08] <sDrewth>	 thanks Reedyb will that be an intense query to run?
[22:00:49] <sDrewth>	 s/Reedy;/ damn mobile device keyboards
[22:10:55] <sDrewth>	 i'll do a phab ticket to get some assistance with a query for quarry
[22:36:39] <spagewmf>	 ebernhar1son: thanks for gerrit 240614! it took me a while to figure out that wfDebugLog() ignores $context apart from some special keys. Does anyone know how to configure a better local lager?
[22:41:06] <Krenair>	 a better local lager?
[22:42:58] <Deskana>	 Better than http://www.anchorbrewing.com/ ?
[22:43:05] <spagewmf>	 Logger! the beer that felled the redwoods http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/Logger_Beer.  But srsly, do I install Monolog or something?
[22:50:48] <ebernhar1son>	 spagewmf: hmm, does it ignore context? it shouldn't
[22:51:35] <ebernhardson>	 it should just add an aditional 'private' field with a boolean and pass it on to the regular logger
[22:51:37] <spagewmf>	 ebernhardson: backward compatibility of formatAsWfDebugLog() in includes/debug/logger/LegacyLogger.php
[22:51:48] <ebernhardson>	 spagewmf: oh, thta has nothing to do with wfDebugLog thugh
[22:52:06] <ebernhardson>	 spagewmf: you can choose to use/not use legacy logger in the monolog configuration (in operations/mediawiki-config)
[22:53:03] <spagewmf>	 Right, so my question is what to do on a local wiki to get something better than LegacyLogger, the beer that brought the forests down
[22:56:43] <ebernhardson>	 spagewmf: well, the answer is it gets complicated :) i could show you but its hard to explain
[22:56:56] <ebernhardson>	 the short answer is, configure $wgMWLoggerDefaultSpi
[22:57:07] <ebernhardson>	 but the longer answers is more involved :)
[22:58:40] <ebernhardson>	 spagewmf: this doc is originally for symfony, but the 'PHP' code examples are all relevant to how we do things: http://symfony.com/doc/current/cookbook/logging/monolog.html
[22:59:14] <ebernhardson>	 it would be $wgMWLoggerDefaultSpi = array( 'class' => '\\MediaWiki\\Logger\\MonologSpi', 'args' => array( /* stuff from the monolog docs */ ) );
[22:59:26] <spagewmf>	 ebernhardson: yes, I figured, needs a bd808 :-)  Our docs need a big {{warning| If you log this extra context note you'll never see it with the default MW logger}}
[22:59:47] <ebernhardson>	 imo the solution is kill the default logger :P
[23:00:52] <ebernhardson>	 i think the warning should be the other way though, {{warning|Uses ancient logging technology means you don't get all the logs}}
[23:01:20] <ebernhardson>	 s/uses/using/
[23:07:03] <spagewmf>	 ebernhardson: BTW I tried your patch with the new https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Structured_logging, and $logger->warning( $s, $context ); still drops $context on the floor.
[23:07:33] <spagewmf>	 backward compatibility FTL. I'll talk to bd808 about it
[23:11:53] <ebernhardson>	 spagewmf: because that does the exact same thing :)
[23:12:46] <ebernhardson>	 LoggerFactory::getInstance( 'Foo' )->info( 'bar', array( 'baz' => 'bang' ) ) is the same as wfDebugLog( 'Foo', 'bar', '', array( 'baz' => 'bang' ) );
[23:13:18] <ebernhardson>	 wfDebugLog happens to add one additional 'private' field to context, but any loss of the context happens at the monolog layer, almost certainly by having the Spi pointed at either LegacySpi or using the LegacyHandler inside MonologSpi
[23:20:25] <ebernhardson>	 spagewmf: if i understand correctly, this is what you are looking for: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P2089
[23:20:47] <ebernhardson>	 might be missing an array key or two though