[00:03:37] thanks for the report [00:34:19] what was the icinga page that didn't require authentication? [00:47:42] Negative24, umm... what are you looking for? [00:47:51] I'm not aware of any icinga pages not requiring auth [01:16:06] interesting...there's work going on in the IETF to nail down the "text/markdown" MIME type: https://tools.ietf.org/wg/appsawg/trac/wiki/TextMarkdown/GoalsAndUses [01:18:03] I thought to look this up after seeing tgr's pointer to CommonMark https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111298#1661547 [16:04:15] hi [16:04:37] hi [16:05:47] after you translate something on translatewiki, are you required to do something to see the change working? [16:06:22] (to actually see the translated text on the local wiki) [16:08:39] supernino: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/FAQ#How_is_the_work_done_on_translatewiki.net_connected_to_other_wikis? [16:08:45] What wiki do you have in mind? [16:10:12] eg this was created a week ago https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Visualeditor-welcomedialog-content/it [16:10:46] So? [16:10:47] but it's not shown here https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Visualeditor-welcomedialog-content shows [16:14:32] so VE keep showing the english msg [16:15:40] supernino: thanks; https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103879#1663136 [16:16:06] For the last couple years, WMF has been regularly breaking their own localisation update. It seems no fix lasts long. [16:16:24] So reports like yours are very useful. :) [16:16:50] thanks nemo, I'll watch the phab task [18:02:54] for anyone joining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nTt8li3BE [18:02:59] (the lightning talks are going on) [18:03:47] and the agenda with links to the slides (should probably be linked in the youtube video too) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lightning_Talks#September_2015 [18:06:44] Is it ok to ask why the split was reverted? [18:07:11] guillom: Echo icons split? It was covered in Tech News ;) [18:07:14] yes guillome [18:08:32] guillom: perf issues and a bug in Safari + breakage in Commons's Vector.css [18:09:56] Safari is the new IE indeed. Everyone uses it (iOS) [18:10:17] Yeah the only thing worse than Safari is iOS Safari [18:10:19] also Firefox 3.5 users! [18:10:34] Oh, right [18:10:44] Nemo_bis: I only skim through Tech News now :) [18:10:46] Yeah this particular Safari bug is also present in FF <= 3.5 [18:11:51] there was a bug in Safari for over 3 years where it would draw each segment of an SVG path one at a time. So it was an insanely slow O(n) operation to draw a line graph :) [18:12:24] legoktm: What you just said though is that the latest version of Safari is on par with a browser released in mid-2009 ;) [18:12:40] hehe [18:12:52] when Chrome forked the sheer force pushed Safari back in time [18:13:02] Newton's 3rd law? :) [18:13:06] 4th [18:17:21] hahah loving fluffy dog [18:17:27] DELETE FLUFFY DOG [18:17:32] OR DELETE BOB [18:17:36] :D [18:17:40] a difficult conundrum ' [18:18:29] FLUFFY TABLES? [18:20:21] lol [18:23:36] graph editing! \o/ [18:24:15] * ebernhardson was thinking CS graphs at first [18:24:19] but this is cool too i suppose [18:25:18] ebernhardson, :) [18:28:57] this is really sweet. question: have you all looked at vega lite as an alternative source / intermediary? [18:30:13] Hey mvolz. Your intern is up! :) [18:30:33] +1. Thumbs up for raw mode. Being able to look "underneath the hood" easily is educational, especially with this live updating. Please leave it in. :) [18:31:05] Niharika: is he on irc? If so, what nick? [18:31:15] milimetric: ferdbold [18:31:19] @seen ferdbold [18:31:19] Niharika: Last time I saw ferdbold they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: Leaving. N/A at 8/20/2015 9:34:15 PM (32d20h57m4s ago) [18:31:22] That's the current presenter, not the next one [18:31:28] ferdbold is mooeypoo's student [18:31:32] Yes, the current one. [18:32:21] It's great to see BTW that both mooeypoo and mvolz came in through OPW/GSoC and are now mentoring :) [18:32:27] there is dynamic (animated) Vega coming to MW fairly soon [18:33:15] :) [18:33:26] see http://vega.github.io/ - or as an example - http://vega.github.io/vega-editor/?spec=dimpvis [18:33:38] yurik_: I want blinking graphs! [18:34:05] milimetric, go for it! [18:34:26] yurik_: I love that version of the bubble chart. Showing the path is so great [18:34:38] our connection dropped! [18:34:48] :( [18:34:53] we need to re-authenticate to start it up again [18:35:08] ouch [18:35:22] ok, I'll stop and wait for it to reconnect [18:35:36] Slides not visible on the hangout...stuck on ferdbold's avatar for me. [18:35:39] thanks... just another few seconds [18:35:40] youtube stream is still working :P [18:35:42] being always connected is a luxury! [18:36:00] all is well here, SMalyshev it might be your bandwidth settings in hangout? [18:36:04] or maybe your screen sharing just stopped? [18:36:17] oh its just the office [18:36:18] sorry. [18:36:22] nah the office completely dropped out of hangouts [18:36:23] yea [18:36:51] yes [18:38:07] is Moriel here? It seems from beta cluster that the new Echo does not load OOjs UI to show the two badges. But they're using "mw-echo-notifications-badge mw-echo-notification-badge-nojs oo-ui-image-invert oo-ui-iconElement oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-icon-speechBubble mw-echo-unseen-notifications". How are you rendering the badges without OOjs UI? [18:40:30] mooeypoo answers "PHP :) We're lazy-loading them." [18:42:04] mooeypoo: so Echo has some RL module that just loads some of the CSS and the icons for the two buttons? [18:42:16] Yep, exactly. [18:42:26] We also use this for users who don't have javscript enabled anyways. [18:42:59] So we get this behavior as the 'no-js' version regardless. We just keep it until the user actively clicks the badge and *then* we load the javascript parts. [18:45:30] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service [18:45:52] this is the community pages with examples and discussion [18:45:59] e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/queries [18:46:39] SMalyshev: I have like a beelyun questions about WQS but was preoccupied with puzzling out Echo's no-OOjs-ui transition :) [18:46:40] i think the slides are supposed to be moving [18:46:41] kevinator_: I think his present isn't working [18:46:56] someone should tell him that the slides aren't moving. [18:47:13] SMalyshev: thanks for the talk! seems your slides aren't published yet, can you upload them to commons? [18:47:23] kevinator_: ^ [18:47:24] spagewmf: you in the office? please poke Kevin [18:47:41] HaeB: I will. They are now on googledocs, see the link on lightning talk pages [18:48:10] i'm here [18:48:21] cool, thanks. i meant they are not set to be publicly viewable [18:48:39] hello, I am trying to fetch the content of some File pages (not the file itself) on Commons. However Commons doesn't appear to have a `text` table. Where does the content live (e.g. the description, licensing, etc)? [18:50:27] Some more information about the Pagebanner project: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109285 [18:51:08] MusikAnimal: is this a question you want me to ask Sumit? [18:51:27] kevinator_: No, this is a general-purpose channel [18:51:51] ok, uploaded the slides. see the links on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lightning_Talks [18:52:23] can't hear S [18:52:41] lol can't hear s [18:52:54] kevinator_: Sumit? [18:53:02] I think Sumit needs to mute, whilst S is talking? the background sound is overwhelming the office mic [18:53:08] or type it [18:53:21] codezee: mute :) [18:53:29] my question was "How does the PageBanner know what the TOC is, the examples didn't show specifying what to overlay on the image" [18:53:30] kevinator_: ^ [18:53:42] ^ codezee [18:53:54] I can hear well [18:54:10] I can hear sumit well, but not kevinator_ [18:54:14] spagewmf: the page banner is actually using the TOC of the article on which its being displayed, whatever would appear by default [18:54:36] better now [18:59:32] docs about how to get the map onto a page and tweak all those exciting things? [19:02:47] looks great, yurik_. SMalyshev https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps I would guess. :) [19:03:21] quiddity, yep [19:07:43] yurik_: replacing the link to geohack when you click on a coordinate in enwiki and wikidata seems a worthwhile goal, but in the interim I urge you to at least add the maps service to GeoHack's laundry list of maps. Right now I bet people assume "wikimapia" must be WMF's mapping service, because it's a green highlighted link on https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?language=en¶ms=37.787 [19:07:49] _N_-122.4_E_globe:earth [19:08:49] spagewmf, i agree, could you file it as a phab request against #maps project? This way we can keep track of who requested what, and discuss it there [19:09:35] yurik_: I will do. [19:11:45] yurik_: also, is this "maps thing" 8-) an API that should be listed in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Web_APIs_hub#Build ? It seems so... [19:11:52] cool stuff as always BTW! [19:13:14] spagewmf, thanks! as for the api - we currently do not allow non-wmf sites to use the service (referrer check), so its not really an API in that sense [19:14:56] everyone, sorry I ask so many questions, I feel like a four year old [19:16:06] spagewmf, its ok, the others are too inhibited to ask, even though they want to ;) [19:16:36] yurik_: thanks. So it's more a service than an API. Regardless, I'm happy to mention it in either location whenever you wnt. [19:17:00] yurik_: but then I'm pretty sure it should be called mapoid :) [19:17:06] spagewmf, correct, it is a service, and it is open to anyone on labs or wikivoyage [19:17:24] we considered calling it that :) [19:17:29] but it is called Kartotherian [19:18:00] I'm pretty sure it should be called kartotherianoid :) [19:32:20] IDEA: people are happier to ask questions on IRC and it's much better bandwidth, but it's not preserved with the video stream of the hangout. So we should glue the IRC log in, as annotations on the YouTube, and captioning-like subtitles on commons [19:33:16] spagewmf: i like that idea [19:33:26] like subtitles in youtube videos [19:34:05] or start with pasting the log into the description [19:36:39] spagewmf: or more prosaically, have a facilitator read out questions from IRC, like in the metrics meeting [19:41:54] [[Tech]]; 171.98.62.7; /* dead and recovered links */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13753956&oldid=13737467&rcid=6817865 [19:54:23] HaeB: sure, but there's far more info and commentary and URLs in the IRC, so why transplant a fraction of it, poorly, into sound waves? [19:55:01] isn't that a question about why we do presentations/talks at all ? ;) [19:56:18] come join my startup YouIrcMe_ube ! "gluing the future of video to the past of IRC" [19:57:08] we can also pipe the IRC log into a speech synthesizer [19:58:22] seriously, i kind of like the idea of a hangout plugin that integrates an irc channel as "subtitles"... but the facilitator seems both more technically feasible at the moment, and better at focusing everyone's attention [19:59:01] lol! MC Hawking voice mode! haha e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bueZoYhUlg [20:04:30] HaeB Indeed. YouIrcMe_ube will Fax you a job offer. audiovisuals presentations have value, but the Q&A and commentary is better as text. We shall revive SMIL and make big $$$$$ [20:08:07] spagewmf: http://CodeWelt.com/proj/speak?lang=en-us&text=%3Cspagewmf%3E%20HaeB%20Indeed.%20YouIrcMe_ube%20will%20Fax%20you%20a%20job%20offer.