[06:28:20] is something creating links with ?oldformat=true at the end? [06:28:21] I just found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_the_largest_known_graphs_of_a_given_diameter_and_maximal_degree?oldformat=true and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk?oldformat=true in google [06:28:30] and apparently it's showing up in other places too based on https://bitbucket.org/metabrainz/musicbrainz-server/commits/577662a0353ed742f2ab8005c2d4c5556b5d4a97 [07:49:18] Ping. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105612 [13:59:03] Ugh. Still unfixed. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/fbstj/ [15:27:41] Hmm, I edited [[mw:Template:Project management tools review]] a few days ago. How do I get those changes displayed on pages using that template, e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator which is still showing the "old" template content in the top right box? [15:34:04] andre__: It's because of the Translate extension. [15:48:19] James_F: aha, thanks! I was wondering if that might have impact but couldn't imagine how [18:59:26] Quick question: the your.org ftp/rsync mirror has been down for many days; will it be restored at some point or can we only use HTTP now? [19:00:15] the what mirror? [19:00:36] Krenair: The your.org mirror that hosts Wikipedia backup dumps and images [19:01:03] ftp://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/wikimedia/dumps/ [19:01:04] your.org is not owned nor operated by us [19:01:35] (where "us" == The Wikimedia Foundation, at least) [19:01:39] OK, wasn't sure if you might know the status anyway as it seems to be the only public mirror available: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps [19:02:03] is there another way to rsync the commons image files? [19:03:43] are there copies of those in labs somewhere? maybe tools? [19:03:49] * greg-g shrugs [19:08:54] sorry, I dropped offline for a bit. is there another place to get the image files? [19:09:34] tpearson: archive.org has snapshot tarballs [19:09:50] but, i'm not sure what else to tell ya, unfortunately :) [19:09:50] greg-g: of the commons image files? [19:09:53] yeah [19:09:57] interesting [19:10:34] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps#Media_tarballs [19:11:32] greg-g: those are all out of date [19:12:04] I guess I'll try to contact the your.org maintainers directly [19:13:05] * greg-g nods [19:13:46] thanks anyway :-) [19:14:44] tpearson: good luck! [19:14:51] tpearson: btw, what do you use the images for? [19:14:59] just curious :) [19:16:11] greg-g: right now as mainly an offline encyclopedia; Internet access can be somewhat spotty at times and I like the idea of anonymously browsing a vast collection of knowledge (used to read physical encyclopedias just for fun) [19:17:14] and it's also a major technical challenge since the archive is over 20TB in size ;-) [19:18:34] I'm one of those funny people that finds targetted advertising creepy to no end -- just because I was reading about Amazon tree frogs doesn't mean I want to see advertisements for terrariums for the next few days ;-) [19:19:22] anyway Email sent; hopefully access will be restored at some point [19:19:58] tpearson: awesome [19:21:02] luckily we don't share your info with anyone, and with https-only now, not many orgs can figure out what you're reading [19:21:09] but, I totally understand. :) [19:21:24] heh. various agencies can still read the URL, and sometimes that's enouh [19:22:00] we live in such strange times that if I'm reading about coal mining, and accidentally click to the "blasting" section links are formed in some agencies in ways that are not good [19:22:25] with a physical encyclopedia none of this is a concern [19:22:39] at least https gives some measure of privacy though [19:22:46] better than nothing :-) [19:23:46] what I'd really like to see is a way to somehow only download the images that are actually used by the encyclopedia articles [19:24:19] I know from the size of the databases it might not be feasible to generate that information, but it would open up the possibility of a completely offline encyclopedia with the new 6TB hard disks [19:24:27] tpearson: luckily now you've used enough keywords on IRC for them to have you on some lists ;) [19:24:34] heh, yeah, I know [19:25:02] I was probably on those anyway for downloading the database ;-) [19:25:09] :) [19:25:22] the NSA probably also gets confused by "wikimedia" vs "wikileaks" [19:26:05] could be, though I'd think they're smarter than that [19:26:29] I just bristle at the idea of some faceless entity (corporate or otherwise) knowing what you're thinking at any given instant [19:26:37] true, mostly jest. Though I'm glad most of the border agents I talk with when traveling for work know the difference [19:27:36] heh, no kidding. I presented an academic paper in Canada many years back and it was a lot easier going to Canada than coming back [19:27:46] (US citizen) [19:28:05] welcome to freedom :) [19:28:07] coming back felt like the grand inquisition as the guard had no idea what an academic paper was [19:28:09] anywho... ;) [19:28:25] yeah, sorry, off topic :-) [19:28:47] well, the WMF *is* suing the NSA, so not as offtopic as it could be [19:28:52] tpearson: re offline encyclopedia, check out http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Main_Page [19:29:42] bd808: Yes, I had seen that before. I think the main issue was the images again; it doesn't store the full versions [19:30:09] and I also enjoy the technical challenge of managing this much data ;-) [19:32:58] Reading the backlog, I was also going to recommend checking out Kiwix. It looks like what you're after. [19:33:04] greg-g: Good luck with the lawsuit; I really wish we enjoyed more privacy as US citizens. All the NSA and similar agencies normally end up doing is either encouraging people to stay ignorant or forming wrong links [19:34:17] greg-g: Here's the issue with Kiwix in a nutshell: http://sourceforge.net/p/kiwix/discussion/604121/thread/67a3195e/ [19:35:17] ....though it looks like they may be working on it or have fixed it recently [19:35:21] interesting [19:37:38] well, I'm probably going to keep archiving commons, but will keep kiwix in mind for anyone else wanting a replacment for their aging physical encyclopedia set [19:38:04] that's what started this whole project years ago -- Internet was unreliable enough that I had to pull out the physical volumes at times [19:38:47] thanks again :-) [19:43:56] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/sprint/burn/483/ "Request: GET http://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/sprint/burn/483/, from 10.64.0.172 via cp1044 cp1044 ([10.64.0.172]:80), Varnish XID 771163268 - Forwarded for: 80.217.41.169, 10.64.0.172 - Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:42:35 GMT" [20:04:16] legoktm: Can you help me with wikibugs? Is it possible to have it report changes to tasks which I'm subscribed to? [20:04:42] Josve05a: it reports things based on projects. [20:04:49] :/ [20:06:05] I hate having to go to Phabricator once an hour to see if there has been any updates, and if there have most likely there are so many changes, I will have to open the "all notifications" window to see them all, but ok, thanks :/ [20:12:37] Josve05a: use email? :P [20:13:43] Umm...I get way to much spam in my email-box, and I will not create a new (like 20th) email, which I will not visit more often than I visit Phabricator's https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/notification/ , but yeah... [20:18:25] Josve05a: filters? [20:18:48] hah, I've tried my best. [21:15:38] Who can I ask to enable Flow on my talk page? :D [21:17:24] nvm, found the page [21:52:02] such an eager guinea pig [23:06:42] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout [23:06:56] hello, I have a question about the pagelinks database [23:07:38] I was wondering if a link is deleted on a page, is that deletion reflected in the database as well?