[15:19:40] [[Tech]]; 41.210.159.81; [none]; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=12587664&oldid=12580553&rcid=6587421 [17:30:29] Hmm the live preview on test.wikipedia.org seems broken [17:31:00] I always see {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User[…]Editing "$1" }} as header… is that known? A quick search on phabricator doesn't yield anything [19:50:22] could sb. explain me why it was possible to save a new version with no differences? https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=143757136&oldid=143757119 [19:54:38] whitespace maybe? history tab says (+1) [I am guessing] [19:55:09] recently there are more such changes, yes [19:55:16] Merlissimo: there are some evil things you can do to save a page with trailing whitespace, which will be trimmed next time someone edits the page [19:55:25] (or could, might've been fixed) [19:55:58] There's also a bug about revisions being byte-identical, only difference being content model [19:56:28] MatmaRex: both are reverts so a previous version, so it should be the same [19:58:06] hmm. [19:59:01] and there must be also basestampstamp/starttimetamp ignored i think. [19:59:27] normally there should be an edit conflict [20:01:04] Merlissimo: fascinating. file a bug? :) [20:09:12] why is icinga nda only? [20:18:02] It's not [20:22:06] Reedy, web interface is [20:22:11] nda/ops/wmf ldap groups only [20:22:13] No it's not [20:22:21] that doesn't mean nda only :P [20:22:31] to get into any of those groups you need an nda [20:25:07] maybe [20:25:37] re: wmf group [20:25:52] icinga was made non-public because of security [20:26:11] AFAIK new wmf get nda as a part of their job [20:26:26] maybe [20:26:40] well no matter [20:26:52] it's not about the NDA it's about not having it public in this case [20:27:22] there is a process to get in the group though without being paid [20:30:04] hmm I might have to look into that [20:30:18] buts probably as hard as it was for valhallasw [20:30:24] *but its [20:30:25] Negative24: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62112 [20:37:00] Negative24: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_NDA [20:37:08] Negative24: it should be a little bit easier [20:37:22] there is a Phab process now [20:37:26] eh I really haven't had a reason [20:37:28] until now [20:38:26] you should do it :) [20:38:37] it gives you icinga and graphite and stuff [20:41:14] mutante: is icinga, and graphite enough? [20:41:41] All depends what you're wanting to look at [20:41:49] Btw, graphite's open to me [20:41:51] http://graphite.wmflabs.org/ [20:42:45] I can even see stats on bastion-restricted and that's not good [20:43:01] wrong graphite [20:43:08] https://graphite.wikimedia.org/ [20:44:25] oh yup that's locked down [20:45:35] mutante: maybe in the future. If I submitted a request now it'd probably get shot down [20:47:01] i dont know, there's one way to find out [20:47:14] just submit it :) [20:47:38] what also surprised me is this part: [20:47:44] " Sign off by a C level Wikimedia Foundation executive. " [20:47:56] i think that's asking too much [20:48:08] doesnt scale [20:50:48] yea [20:56:01] I can even see stats on bastion-restricted and that's not good [20:56:12] I doubt stats about bastion-restricted are particularly sensitive... [20:56:36] mutante: i think that when that was written, "C-level executive" basically meant "Erik" in that case [20:56:55] I imagine bastion-restricted is more like iron in that it's trusted in a bunch of places normal users shouldn't be able to access? [20:57:02] MatmaRex: that sounds about right [20:57:03] guillom, when Tech News has a topic title that contains a link, it doesn't render on Flow as intended (since Flow doesn't support wikitext in topic titles): https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104914 [20:57:13] guillom, let me know if you want to discuss. [20:57:32] i'm not sure who would sign these off now, though, now that we don't actually have a VPE [20:57:47] or CTO [20:58:05] me neither [20:58:08] we should ask qgil that [20:58:12] or any technical C-level, really. luis villa is probably the closest, heh [20:58:14] since he wrote this process [20:58:28] and it was complicated to get it done ..somehow [21:03:50] spagewmf, spagewmf_ meeting? [21:03:56] mutante, MatmaRex hi [21:04:13] I have been thinking about this. It is just that the current situation is so... unusual [21:04:17] matt_flaschen: Thanks, I added a comment. [21:05:22] I say just put qgil in charge as VPE. {{done}} [21:06:00] Or change the definition of C-level [21:06:14] qgil: maybe the next level under c-level then? [21:06:26] Trevor, Toby, Wes, Katie... [21:06:29] Everyone below sea level is a marine creature. [21:06:58] lol [21:07:22] So clearly the mare nostrum cabal? [21:07:41] (Which is slowly replacing the previous magna graecia ops cabal) [21:08:00] dolphins for hire [21:09:03] Trevor, Toby, Wes, Katie, Ori should cover all fronts. [21:09:48] yea, sounds good, ori++ [23:05:46] Yes, hello.