[00:01:48] <spagewmf>	 Nemo_bis (sleep?!) I'm trying to add a help link from wikitext using the <indicator> tag. It almost works, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:SPage_%28WMF%29/Sandbox , except the 'mediawiki.helplink' module isn't ordinarily loaded.
[00:03:52] <spagewmf>	 I guess I could manually insert the icon instead of using name="mw-helplink", or mw.loader.load() this module in common.js
[10:36:40] <rillke>	 according to https://tools.wmflabs.org/nagf/?project=mediahandler-tests#h_mediahandler-tests-mol disk space usage is at 7.4 GB (6 GB root and 1.4 GB var)
[10:37:11] <rillke>	 but I can't update MediaWiki; some git commands fail due to missing disk space and mysql is telling me the same
[10:38:05] <rillke>	 I wanted to update everything before I migrate to a new and smaller instance
[10:38:38] <rillke>	 Interestingly, instances are missing on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Mediahandler-tests
[11:28:10] <Nemo_bis>	 rillke: have you already ruled out a fallout from NFS outage?
[11:32:06] <rillke>	 how would I do this, sorry, the WMFLabs maling list spam went right into trash after I found 40 of them in my inbox
[11:50:03] <rillke>	 The solution was to log out and log in again. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103495
[11:50:27] <rillke>	 (for the missing instances)
[14:24:41] <Nemo_bis>	 rillke: maybe you should unsubscribe from labs-l and follow labs-announce-l instead
[17:57:46] <dynosaur>	 hello! we are planning to use this channel for the next hour for lightning talks - any questions for the speakers can be directed to me. 
[18:00:25] <Glaisher>	 dynosaur: What is "lightning talks"?
[18:00:33] <Krenair>	 see wikitech-l Glaisher 
[18:00:36] <Glaisher>	 oh, there's a link
[18:00:44] <Krenair>	 or the link
[18:00:46] <Glaisher>	 I'm not subscribed to wikitech-l
[18:01:28] <Krenair>	 "Browser Plugin will not work with Chrome v35(& above) on Linux"
[18:01:43] <Krenair>	 Guess that includes Chrome 45
[18:01:48] <dynosaur>	 Glaisher: this is a test of something we would like to do monthly if people end up finding it useful. You can find more info on the links in the topic 
[18:02:26] <dynosaur>	 Krenair: other options for joining also (see email) however if there are good reasons we should not use bluejeans for other things please give that feedback 
[18:02:53] <Krenair>	 I need to get stuff done and have a meeting in half an hour anyway
[18:03:02] <dynosaur>	 this is just a test 
[18:03:22] <dynosaur>	 starting now!
[18:05:07] <Deskana>	 Could people hear me speaking before?
[18:05:14] <Deskana>	 When I was on the big screen?
[18:05:15] <Keegan>	 Deskana: yes
[18:05:25] <Deskana>	 Perfect, nothing's broken then
[18:05:26] <dynosaur>	 Deskana: looks sunny!
[18:05:44] <dynosaur>	 yurik: speak into mic more?
[18:07:26] <Deskana>	 dynosaur: San Leandro!
[18:07:43] <dynosaur>	 don't forget sunscreen - I got a major burn this weekend 
[18:08:23] <Deskana>	 dynosaur: I was in your (other) neck of the woods, in Mammoth Lakes.
[18:08:34] <Deskana>	 dynosaur: Much sunburn was had.
[18:08:42] <dynosaur>	 Deskana: Oh really!? Why? That is awesome. Did you like it?
[18:09:26] <Deskana>	 dynosaur: Little bit of a holiday. Wanted to experience a different part of California. :)
[18:09:30] <dynosaur>	 just FYI for anyone on BlueJeans - you can ask your questions on BlueJeans directly without pinging me here... however I am still happy to ask for you
[18:09:43] <Deskana>	 HELLO WORLD
[18:10:12] <Deskana>	 FWIW our view of the office on BlueJeans is kind of strange.
[18:10:22] <Deskana>	 We see two halves of two separate screens.
[18:10:29] <joal>	 Question for Yuri: data used to generate the graph can be tajen from another table for instance ?
[18:10:43] <dynosaur>	 joal will ask
[18:10:50] <joal>	 thx
[18:15:54] <dynosaur>	 what is a spider? 
[18:16:45] <earldouglas>	 A reasonable justification for torching a building.
[18:16:53] <ori>	 heh
[18:17:14] <spagewmf>	 question for Yuri: is the map graphing a reasonable way to put a map on-wiki irrespective of graphing any data?
[18:17:33] <dynosaur>	 yurik ^^
[18:18:49] <yurik>	 spagewmf, using graphs for showing simple maps is great, but it won't work very well for very detailed map
[18:19:14] <leila>	 dynosaur: I'm not sure about the difference between spider and bot. generally spiders are programs that visit websites and read information from the pages to create search engine index.
[18:19:15] <yurik>	 so you can show countries/us states/regions just fine, with some extra overlays with a star for the capital, etc
[18:19:15] <spagewmf>	 yurik: if only we had a map tile server... ?
[18:19:33] <yurik>	 spagewmf, max will demo that in a bit ;)
[18:19:35] <dynosaur>	 leila: oh, thanks :) 
[18:20:32] <dynosaur>	 Questions?
[18:20:36] <spagewmf>	 what's the difference between hue and vital-signs?
[18:20:58] <spagewmf>	 are they both publicly-usable sites?
[18:21:05] <guillom>	 joal: Question: When do we get to play with the pageviews API? What's your expected timeline? :)
[18:21:07] <milimetric>	 hue is a web interface for Hive / Hadoop tools
[18:21:26] <spagewmf>	 No, type the answers!
[18:21:31] <milimetric>	 :)
[18:21:33] <milimetric>	 ok, I'll type
[18:21:45] <milimetric>	 vital-signs is a dashboard that just displays data
[18:21:45] <earldouglas>	 spagewmf: type all the things!
[18:22:04] <dynosaur>	 spagewmf: you can stand up and ask questions! anyone else, just so I am sure you want me to ask into the mic please ping me otherwise I wont ask it and assume you are asking in the channel 
[18:22:20] <spagewmf>	 speak softly and carry a big nick :)
[18:22:32] <milimetric>	 guillom: pageview API is something we're actively focusing on, there's an epic phab ticket I can point people to if you want.
[18:22:48] <guillom>	 milimetric: "This quarter" is a very exciting response :)
[18:22:49] <gwicke>	 spagewmf: nice one!
[18:22:57] <milimetric>	 yes, indeed, I'm excited :)
[18:23:05] <joal>	 :)
[18:23:07] <dynosaur>	 thanks milimetric !
[18:23:23] <dynosaur>	 quick pause to get slides up
[18:24:18] <dynosaur>	 Please nominate any of these talks for an extended tech talk and I will be happy to help set it up
[18:27:32] <milimetric>	 swweeeeet
[18:29:14] <spagewmf>	 dynosaur: make bd808 explain logstash/kibana
[18:29:51] <dynosaur>	 bd808: explain logstash/kibana
[18:30:08] <dynosaur>	 spagewmf: ^ ;)
[18:30:12] <bd808>	 nobody said "simon says"
[18:30:18] <bd808>	 dynosaur: we should probably schedule that (a logstash/kibana tech talk)
[18:30:21] <ori>	 logstash is a tool that can aggregate logs from different applications on the cluster
[18:30:38] <dynosaur>	 bd808: OK, I will make a phab task and we can set up a date/time :)
[18:30:39] <ori>	 kibana is a web interface for logstash that lets you create dashboards containing different types of visualizations of this data
[18:30:46] <bd808>	 spagewmf: can you feed me some ideas of things to show off?
[18:31:09] <ori>	 bd808: logins per day as volume of centralauth logs
[18:31:20] * Deskana claps
[18:31:21] <ori>	 we still don't have that in any analytics dashboard
[18:31:26] * joal claps as well !
[18:31:49] <akoopal>	 hi, I just noticed that on nl-wiki the sortable wikitables don't work anymore
[18:32:02] <earldouglas>	 ori: if we make a "logins" dashboard, can we spell it with two g's and call it Danger Zone?
[18:32:16] <guillom>	 akoopal: JavaScript is broken on a few wikis. I think Krinkl.e is looking into it.
[18:32:37] <spagewmf>	 SMalyshev: very cool
[18:32:38] <guillom>	 akoopal: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103498
[18:32:46] <SMalyshev>	 spagewmf: thanks!
[18:33:33] <dynosaur>	 bd808: task created :) 
[18:33:42] <dynosaur>	 dates suggested 
[18:34:26] <dynosaur>	 remember anyone on BlueJeans can unmute and ask questions themselves :D
[18:35:10] <akoopal>	 guillom: sure this is related? I don't see edits on common.js on nl-wiki
[18:35:38] <Romaine>	 it seems multiple things are buggy
[18:35:50] <akoopal>	 ori: seems you had something to do with the linked bug, can you comment?
[18:35:55] <guillom>	 akoopal: I'm not sure it's related, but per that ticket, there were JavaScript issues across wikis. So it might not be in the history page.
[18:36:05] <ori>	 akoopal: yes
[18:36:59] <dynosaur>	 questions so far for milimetric?
[18:37:05] <guillom>	 milimetric: Is there some good documentation about dashiki, so people can play with it?
[18:37:19] <dynosaur>	 guillom: I can ask in the mic
[18:37:26] <spagewmf>	 milimetric: is VitalSigns the next generation of e.g. http://flow-reportcard.wmflabs.org/# ?  Is it hard to upgrade such reportcards ?
[18:38:28] <akoopal>	 ori: can this be related, or is it better to create a new bug?
[18:39:19] <ori>	 akoopal: i'll have a fix deployed in <5m
[18:40:38] <spagewmf>	 milimetric: play us some guitar
[18:40:41] * dynosaur claps!
[18:40:49] <milimetric>	 guitar strings are broken :)
[18:41:03] <dynosaur>	 switching screens
[18:41:06] <akoopal>	 ori: ok, will await it, and test after that
[18:41:32] <Deskana>	 All I can see is milimetric's beautiful face
[18:41:36] <Deskana>	 Oh, wait, it's changed now
[18:41:48] * milimetric takes off his beautiful face
[18:41:51] <dynosaur>	 ping me or MaxSem with questions for Max
[18:42:33] <milimetric>	 nearby! sweet
[18:42:45] <leila>	 yeah, this is going to be nice! :-)
[18:43:49] <spagewmf>	 milimetric: Pete Townshend has the same problem, intense flailing
[18:44:01] <dynosaur>	 Questions?
[18:44:29] <dynosaur>	 milimetric is on screen in SF again
[18:44:59] <leila>	 he's responsible for everything today, dynosaur. ;-)
[18:45:21] * dynosaur claps
[18:45:28] <dynosaur>	 last talk!
[18:45:36] <dynosaur>	 James
[18:45:44] <spagewmf>	 MaxSem: I clicked the coordinates link on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco and got a blank pop-up, "Waiting for wma.wmflabs.org"
[18:46:15] <dynosaur>	 one more moment 
[18:47:54] <spagewmf>	 (I think MaxSem said the default Coordinates link on enwiki is a maps server run by the community)
[18:47:58] <spagewmf>	 it gets overloaded
[18:48:11] <Deskana>	 Question: what is TypeScript?
[18:48:16] <moizsyed>	 wow, Team Discovery is well represented here
[18:48:45] <cscott>	 FWIW, the final ES6 spec was published this week.
[18:48:58] <moizsyed>	 Yuri, Stas, Max, James
[18:49:00] <Deskana>	 Strong typing for JavaScript?
[18:49:01] <spagewmf>	 EcmaJavaTypeHarmonyScript FTW
[18:49:03] <milimetric>	 it's compile-to-JS
[18:49:20] <milimetric>	 like CoffeeScript, etc.
[18:49:24] <Nemo_bis>	 Uh, stuff going on here
[18:49:26] <cscott>	 http://www.slideshare.net/NeilGreen1/type-script-vs-coffeescript-vs-es6
[18:49:59] <joal>	 milimetric: reminds me of http://www.scala-js.org/
[18:50:02] <gwicke>	 there's also http://www.2ality.com/2015/06/web-assembly.html
[18:50:05] <milimetric>	 :) joal, yep
[18:50:23] <milimetric>	 WebAssembly is a bit different, but I agree that's the future
[18:50:29] <gwicke>	 for the compile-to-js-runtime department
[18:50:55] <milimetric>	 WebAssembly is more like js-compile-to or *-compile-to
[18:50:58] <dynosaur>	 Would anyone like to see any of these talks as hour long tech talks?
[18:52:10] <gwicke>	 http://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/3abgbo/webassembly_rust_compile_to_web/
[18:52:12] <gwicke>	 ;)
[18:52:12] <cscott>	 http://turtlescript.github.cscott.net/docco/asm-llvm.html
[18:53:15] <gwicke>	 webassembly is very much geared towards languages like C/C++ or Rust
[18:53:22] <akoopal>	 ori: looks to be working again
[18:53:57] <dynosaur>	 anyone have q's for James?
[18:54:34] <Deskana>	 dynosaur: Yes. My question: "Is this basically strong typing for JavaScript?".
[18:54:40] <dynosaur>	 will ask 
[18:55:31] <gwicke>	 sadly, no traits in typescript
[18:55:57] <joal>	 gwicke: scala FTW regarding static typing :) 
[18:56:03] <milimetric>	 gwicke: I agree, but I see WebAssembly playing out as the .NET CLR for the web, and all languages will compile to it, including JS
[18:56:21] <milimetric>	 it's still early days and I don't fully buy the distinctions they're trying to make
[18:56:28] <gwicke>	 joal: or Haskell / Rust ;)
[18:56:40] <spagewmf>	 gwicke: I can hear the HTML4 diehards muttering keep yur LLVM-IR-AST compiler wizardry out of mah browser :)
[18:56:42] <joal>	 gwicke: agreed :)
[18:57:00] <dynosaur>	 more qs?
[18:58:13] * dynosaur claps!
[18:58:16] <dynosaur>	 thanks everyone!
[18:58:18] * milimetric claps
[18:58:24] <dynosaur>	 hope this was interesting for you 
[18:58:27] * gwicke claps as well
[18:58:29] <spagewmf>	 question: did Angular pick up TypeScript?
[18:58:41] <tgr>	 angulat uses atscript
[18:59:30] <milimetric>	 tgr: this says they switched: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11YUzC-1d0V1-Q3V0fQ7KSit97HnZoKVygDxpWzEYW0U/edit
[19:01:33] * Nemo_bis shivers at information walled into gdocs