[01:01:49] how can I get an interwiki redirect like #REDIRECT [[m:Meta:Sandbox]] to actually redirect, instead of showing me the redirect? [01:03:28] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Interwiki_redirect says "This redirect is for redirecting through different wikis, which is currently impossible due to technical restrictions", but doesn't link to anything [01:59:41] spagewmf: Yeah, off-wiki redirects are undesirable. [01:59:54] I don't think it would pass technical or social desires at this point [02:00:36] Krinkle: thanks. Not a big deal, I was looking for some background. [02:00:49] From a technical perspective, a slew of security issues arises. Such as knowledge of all possible meanings a differenet wiki configuration may expose through the title. E.g. we don't allow redirects to Special: namespace to avoid Logout issues. [02:00:57] Krinkle: hi! Hope you're doing well, thanks for all your auto-doc work [02:01:05] *auto-doc-generation [02:01:11] That would be bypassed if we allow cross-wiki redirects. [02:03:31] and socially, I imagine one could just link to the interwiki directly from other articles instead of via a local redirect. And for pointers from other sites, they would point there instead. Any old links in case a page move would face the landing page where they can choose to access the other wiki. [02:03:43] I think you're right in that this was originally wanted, but I think soft redirects have since been embraced. [02:04:02] spagewmf: Sure :) Thanks for the support, I appreciate it. [02:04:14] Krinkle for CTO! [02:04:20] :) [02:04:52] Hehe, who knows, maybe one day :blush: [02:05:37] spagewmf: My sprint in integration/audo-documentation is mostly over. But if there's anything you notice or run into, now is the time before the handoff. [02:08:54] Krinkle: handoff to whom, hashar? One thing is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66996#1126939 , not sure why wikibase docs aren't on doc.wm.o instead of http://wbdoc.wmflabs.org/ [02:09:16] spagewmf: 'make doc' wasn't adopted. [02:09:46] instead we have composer run doc and npm run doc. [02:09:51] depending on the repo, maybe even both [02:09:51] Krinkle: you mean Wikibase didn't adopt that, or in general? [02:09:55] in general [02:11:37] It adds an extra entry point, more learning curve, and introduce a confusing system since we don't really use Makefile, we use npm and composer. And those systems already provide tasks, targets and scripts. IN the end Makefile is just a brute way to run a shell command. That's trivially done in 'scripts' in composer and npm [07:01:21] spagewmf: the majority of doxygen docs doesn't live on doc.wm.o :) https://tools.wmflabs.org/mediawiki-mirror/html/ [07:02:35] spagewmf: for interwiki redirects see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDisableHardRedirects [12:05:44] hi there i was just wondering if anyone else had similar problems install mediawiki, i tried installing v1.24.1 but kept having duplicate primary id's and then with 1.25.1 i'm missing a page count column [16:23:42] with all the millions WMF spends on shitty developers/MW developers, can you idiots come up witha way to prevent "edit conflicts"? ..much appreacaited. ? [17:07:15] comets: you may want to follow https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T72163 but the short answer is no [17:09:25] ahh yes, wiki invests in making wikipedia MORE SAFE ON THE OUTSIDE, while it rots from the inside.. [17:09:35] hi comets. you made me sad :( [17:09:52] edit conflicts are impossible to prevent as long as we alo [17:10:01] edit conflicts are impossible to prevent as long as we allow more than one person to edit an article at once. [17:11:09] it will disappear in a year or 2 when ppl stop editing..lol.. [17:11:52] so thats their plan all along, do not fix the problem, just wait it out, it will go away ..haha :P [17:13:02] comets: you don't get edit conflicts on phabricator and it causes all types of problems as a result [18:24:06] I'm getting database errors when attempting to revdel something: " Function: RevDelRevisionList::doQuery (newline) Error: 2013 Lost connection to MySQL server during query (10.64.48.28)" [18:35:25] eh, breaking it up into smaller parts fixed it. still, ugh.