[04:48:07] hello, why wikipedia is not so fast in europe? [04:48:28] is it possible to improve the loading? [04:59:56] kodi_: are you logged in? [05:00:10] yes ori [05:00:48] maybe is the HTTPS connection? [05:01:08] I use chrome [05:01:32] are you asking in general or do you notice some recent degredation? [05:01:44] ori: in general [05:02:21] so, what i'm about to tell you makes me sad and i think we have to fix to it [05:03:09] ori: so is it a software problem? [05:03:18] mediawiki right? [05:03:19] because we cache entire pages and don't separate content from chrome, when you are logged in, you are not getting pages from the cache [05:03:26] each page has to be generated by mediawiki [05:03:40] mediawiki is actually quite fast these days on HHVM, but - [05:04:07] we only have mediawiki application servers in one place in the world: ashburn, virginia, US. [05:04:21] oh but the ping is good [05:04:25] with esams [05:04:49] 30-40 ms [05:04:51] yes, but esams doesn't have any application servers -- it only has varnishes (and dns and other things) [05:05:12] so if you are an anonymous user in europe, we have a high cache hit rate, your pages are almost always getting served from amsterdam [05:05:25] i'm not an anonymous user [05:05:32] but the moment you log in every page you request has to go to ashburn and back [05:05:32] registered [05:06:05] ok [05:06:27] thanks ori for the answer [05:06:45] we are actually working on solving this from multiple angles [05:07:01] good [05:08:51] aaron schulz is working on making it possible to have mediawiki served from multiple data centers: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Master_%26_slave_datacenter_strategy_for_MediaWiki [05:09:39] oh awesome [05:10:40] and there is other work by gwicke, brion and others to separate the caching of content (which does not vary by user) from the user interface (which is subject to user-specific customizations) (e.g. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Service_split_along_presentation_vs_data_manipulation_line) [05:13:07] * ori gets some breakfast [05:13:15] ok ori [05:13:32] thanks for asking! and if you ahve any more questions about perf feel free to ask, i will answer them when i get back [05:13:41] or try to, at any rate :) [05:13:49] ori: awesome thanks [09:13:12] ori: what would be a suitable existing puppet module in our repo to model the limesurvey module after? [09:32:26] Nemo_bis: wikimania_scholarships [09:32:45] Nemo_bis: happy to help, by the way [10:47:06] ori: ok, thanks [16:38:07] Just started getting a "Class undefined: Wikimedia/Assert/Assert" error when provisioning my vagrant instance, any idea what is causing this? [16:39:15] ferdbold: You need to run composer update in your mediawiki directory [16:40:49] Okay good, will try that, thanks! [19:00:41] Hallo [19:00:59] is something broken with loading JS and CSS at mediawiki.org? [19:01:09] https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Content+translation%2FDocumentation%2FUser+guide&language=he&action=page&filter= [19:01:14] doesn't load the translation interface [19:05:08] srsly, totally broken [19:06:15] WAAAT [19:06:21] works on chrome, broken on firefox [19:07:39] caching? [19:10:45] mmm... no [19:10:49] cleaning the cache didn't help [19:11:13] and it's a problem on my machine, because on my wife's laptop on the same wifi AP it works well [19:11:30] (she's on Windows, but why would that make a difference?) [19:11:45] it worked ten minutes ago and then stopped [19:13:56] OH COME ON, it does work in a private window, what on earth is wrong with my usual window [19:27:08] ...and it works... no idea what broke it and what fixed it [19:27:32] aharoni: extensions/add-ons breaking it? [19:28:05] I have the same addons in the firefox private window [19:28:38] ...and broken again. [20:16:24] So I have a silly question which is obviously going to be a "No but you can make an extension" but on my wiki a lot of people edit the same page throughout a day (it's updating tournament results as they happen) we also use a lot of templates, templates with variables and the wiki parser doesn't seem to be able to save template calls with variables each time [20:16:24] it renders a page meaning our pages take quite some time to save on edit. Is there any way around this? [20:21:35] errr variables should be parameters [21:24:05] Hi this is calvary [21:24:52] any of you worked with references? how do you count on each article against number of references used in it? [21:25:04] can we make list of articles without ref tag? [21:38:37] how to get list of articles without references in kannada wikipedia? [21:39:34] Vivek: any help? [21:41:29] can we use xml dumbs? [22:03:53] none to help? [22:05:12] im here [22:06:17] JRWR: Did you check my question above? [22:06:33] JRWR: is there a way to get articles without reference? [22:20:52] Calvary I joined after you asked your question, sorry [22:21:31] JRWR: is there a way to get list of articles without reference? [23:41:07] hello. Could someone help me try to understand a template? How does #switch work?