[10:37:01] aaaaaaaaaaaAAARGH phabricator trashed my new task again [10:42:59] I miss bugzilla so much [10:44:16] Filed as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89339 [11:18:59] [[Tech]]; וולדימיר בזבאן; /* וולדימיר בזבאן */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=11245978&oldid=11189125&rcid=5937769 [12:08:20] Nemo_bis: what browser are you using? modern browsers support textarea restore upon going back [12:35:42] godog: the browser does; only in phabricator it doesn't work [12:36:49] gah [13:16:17] yeah, it's Phab itself, not the browser [14:36:45] there you go [14:36:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_in_popular_culture [14:37:02] warning - no guarantee anyone will be here right now [14:37:14] That will display properly in firefox, chrome. [14:37:19] But not IE 11. [14:37:22] What to do? [14:37:50] Guest33441 - you may have to wait a while to get a proper response, though. [14:38:13] all good. In the mean time, I'll use chrome [15:10:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_in_popular_culture will not display in IE 11, though it will in chrome, firefox [15:10:39] 2nd image overlaps text [15:28:48] Guest33441: can you make a screenshot? [15:30:32] I've got a screenshot in my copy buffer. Not sure how to paste it into the chat [15:31:52] https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/52JIMtqiTo64hwdaPNLc [15:32:27] [[Tech]]; Glaisher; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/וולדימיר בזבאן|וולדימיר בזבאן]] ([[User talk:וולדימיר בזבאן|talk]]) to last version by Stryn; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=11248880&oldid=11245978&rcid=5938575 [15:32:28] Note that "bullet" symbols overlap image in the screenshot. [15:57:56] Ah, yes, that's a rather common error [16:00:00] Originally filed at https://old-bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11782 which has half a dozen duplicates [16:01:22] Guest33441: can you add your screenshot and browser version at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T13782 ? thanks [16:03:41] andre__: who is the bzimport added at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T13782#1034394 ? will richlv be subscribed to the new bug as well as the old? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61103 [16:04:13] i.e., are ghost subscribers carried over from one report to the other? [16:04:45] Nemo_bis, cannot copy over a non-existing account [16:04:48] hence no [16:05:09] if people have not created accounts, their non-existing accounts cannot be copied over either [16:05:16] https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/8IrKpFveTE2XTza2sB81 [16:06:44] So we have an increasing amount of forever-lost subscribers [16:07:08] I've posted the Wikipedia article URL, failure screenshot and browser version screenshot to this chat. [16:07:45] However, I do not know to update the Wikimedia T13782. [16:07:48] All merged reports should periodically remerged to copy the newly imported subscriptions, I guess [16:08:04] Guest33441: do you see a login button? [16:08:13] I do. [16:08:37] PLease click [16:08:51] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/auth/start/ , then ignore most of the page and click the small hidden button below [16:09:49] the lowest one [16:09:53] Nemo_bis: yes, people are free to not care about some stuff anymore at some point and they "express" that by not creating an account in Phabricator. I don't consider that reality an issue. [16:10:08] silence is not expression [16:10:11] it's that simple [16:10:45] Nemo_bis, what else is it then? [16:11:10] If I've asked you several times to create an account, and if you have not been to Wikimedia Bugzilla for years, how do you interpret that? [16:11:28] If I don't care, I don't care. As simply as that. [16:11:48] expression is unsrubscribing self [16:12:13] People care about their own bugs, not about their container [16:13:00] Thanks for your help. [16:13:02] Nemo_bis, if people cared about their own bugs they would have been to Bugzilla in the last months and see that it's down and read the instructions to get an account in Phab and claim their contributions. That is clearly not the case. [16:13:34] plus even if they don't go to that webpage, people have received emails about this in October and November. [16:13:56] so if people cared about their stuff in Wikimedia Bugzilla they might read their email from Wikimedia. [16:43:19] That assumes they remember what they subscribed for :) [16:43:41] I'm registered in dozens issue tracker and I don't remember by bugs there unless an email arrives with a familiar subject [16:45:03] Nemo_bis: nah, receiving an email from me telling people to create an account in Phab as we shut down BZ does not require remembering which bugs you were subscribed to :) [17:21:27] I only can see 3 projects and 6 instances in Wikitech main page's usage section [17:21:33] Is this normal? [17:22:32] andre__: I only speak of myself, but there are issue trackers I couldn't care less about, UNTIL I receive an email with a familiar subject and I remember [17:23:22] devunt: it's not correct; I can't tell whether it's frequently incorrect [17:23:35] I know it worked a year or two ago [17:24:32] In December it still worked http://web.archive.org/web/20141217174355/https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [17:25:52] Nemo_bis: Yeah, I join you in that club :) [17:27:06] and I think I'm also not able to manage the my project's instances. [17:27:36] there's no links to instance and even "add new instance" button. [17:30:34] In first time I thought labs services was closed suddenly except toollabs. [17:36:22] Is this a problem of my project? [17:37:28] log out and in again? [17:41:26] oh, it works like a charm [17:41:29] such bugs [17:42:08] Nemo_bis, Reedy: thank you [17:44:24] the logout/login issue is a frequent one [17:44:49] On the "bright" side, archive.org has the same problem with their administrator status :D [17:46:59] that's interesting :p [18:21:57] * comets slaps Reedy [18:22:15] Happy Belated Birthday buddy :D [18:26:08] О Эльберет Гилтониэль [18:26:33] Может заприватете оттенки? [18:28:05] What's happening in Russian Wikipedia? [18:28:22] In 50 SHADES OF GREY article [18:28:23] putin? [18:28:50] Of course, not Porosenko [18:29:43] I can't see any grey articles on ruwiki. [18:29:57] book or film? [18:30:06] Can you provides some example links? [18:30:21] http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%8F%D1%82%D1%8C%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%8F%D1%82_%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%28%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%29 film? [18:31:08] oh, [18:31:13] film [18:31:15] <50 SHADES OF GREY> is a film name [18:31:25] and a book [18:31:29] ok, it's now un-vandalsed [18:31:32] THat's cool [18:31:39] And it's now protected [18:31:44] that's cool too [18:32:23] thank Torin [18:32:25] good [18:32:38] try #wikipedia-ru next time :) [18:33:02] thanks [18:34:02] I thought he just says "Oh Russian Wikipedia's articles are turned into grey scale!" [18:34:52] didn't noticed it was a kind of literary work. [18:35:45] XD [18:36:08] u don't know 50 shades of grey? probably not married eh? :p [18:38:36] ugh, they made a film out of it? [18:38:49] Nemo_bis: comes out this weekend, it's all over the news [18:38:51] Maybe that's what the user meant to complain about [18:38:55] orly [18:39:09] My anti-trash brain filter works well, it seems [18:39:19] It is not so much famous in this little asia country :p [18:39:24] Until someone mentions the thing in a place where it's disabled, sigh [18:48:17] Since when OSM has a comment area for each changeset? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22509737 [18:51:04] I must say navigating history in OSM is a nightmare even compared to ours [18:51:27] Though it's still better than Google Docs and Etherpad Lite [18:51:52] We should add such things to the mediawiki.org page on why use the wikis [18:52:58] how about git history feature [18:53:25] sometimes I think mediawiki should have a features like git blame .. [18:54:08] That's a detail. [18:54:31] Also, show me a good GUI for git blame [18:54:57] github's one? [18:55:31] Nemo_bis: command line `git blame` wfm :p [18:55:50] devunt: that's not free software [18:56:16] JimConsultant: sure, but doesn't work that well as comparison to, say, Google Docs [19:00:50] well if you want free software, you can create one and make it 'free' :D [19:01:51] No need, I like MediaWiki [19:01:56] http://www.webpagetest.org/result/150212_SG_11MT/ quite slow too [19:03:56] yeah blame is quite expensive tasks [19:29:37] hello [19:30:35] I have a sneaky problem connecting to Wikipedia web site with my bot account. could anyone help ? [19:31:52] Ghoster: does it have a bot flag? [19:32:37] yes [19:32:56] the bot connect perfectly alone [19:33:11] but when trying to connect to the web interace, access is denied [19:33:18] interface* [19:33:41] connecto to the web interface = api.php ? [19:34:39] no [19:34:53] trying to log as a simple user, but with my bot account [19:35:10] and what error message do you get? [19:35:35] and I didn't specify an email when creating bot account, so I cannot use the "I forgot my password" procedure :( [19:35:50] oh, you just dont know the pass ? [19:36:29] no I know the pass. When connecting using the api, it works [19:36:30] Erreur de connexion [19:36:30] Le mot de passe est incorrect. Veuillez essayer à nouveau. [19:36:37] in french (sorry) [19:36:37] hmm, maybe it is best if you open a ticket on OTRS [19:36:42] have you used that before? [19:37:05] what ? opening a ticket ? [19:37:16] or connecting with my bot account ? [19:37:45] opening a ticket for a password reset [19:37:47] opening a ticket : no. connecting with bot account : yes, but maybe just before having the bot flag [19:40:28] hmm. i'd suggest you try asking on #wikimedia-otrs or check this https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS [19:41:25] ok, thanks! [19:42:18] yw [20:44:25] * T13|mobile learned today that mw.util.addPortletLink isn't smart enough to make sure that #p-cactions exists before trying to add to it... [20:52:19] Encouraging [22:25:32] bd808: any serious reason for includes/exception/MWException.php not to use wfMessage ? [22:26:41] I'd like to i18n the infamous "Fatal exception of type" (MWException) [22:27:31] Nemo_bis: so all exceptions would need to l10n keys instead of bare messages? [22:28:20] bd808: I'm missing a verb [22:28:30] Aaron and Ori are on a crusade that I support to stomp out MWException in place of plain old PHp exceptions [22:28:30] Is that string used for anything beyond display? [22:28:43] Nemo_bis: *need to use l10n keys [22:28:50] Yes but I don't think that's relevant, is it [22:29:11] Oh is it just the fatal display you are talking about? [22:29:12] It's currently a mere: return "

" . '[' . MWExceptionHandler::getLogId( $this ) . '] ' . gmdate( 'Y-m-d H:i:s' ) . ": Fatal exception of type " . get_class( $this ) . "

\n" . [22:29:16] Yes [22:29:42] I *think* someone was worried about performance there [22:29:59] But it sounds kinda silly [22:30:21] yeah. at that point the request is dead so... who cares about a few more millis? [22:30:38] But it could happen to tell you the l10n system is broken [22:30:46] which could be awkward [22:33:01] The only important piece of information is the hash, we can leave that out of the message [22:38:49] Nemo_bis: *nod* I'd need to look at the final patch but on the surface it seems like an ok idea.