[06:04:02] oooh https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/issues/1791 [06:53:20] Nemo_bis, ori: "Don't like the donation advertising? Log in and you won't see begging for money!" <-- I feel like if someone on the Growth team or whatever at the Wikimedia Foundation were savvy, they'd try a campaign of this nature. [06:53:45] It's an easy spin to a positive message. Log in and you're all good. [07:03:11] Fiona: how about "Log in or this kitty gets it" and a picture of a cat? [07:04:28] ori: I'm not sure that would help raise money. [07:04:41] Or promote account creation and growth. [07:04:52] There was a dead cats reference on the mailing list. [07:05:00] Maybe you were parodying that. [07:05:16] Fiona: we have plenty of evidence that encouraging people to log in doesn't bring any additional edit and hardly any additional active editor. [07:05:34] Right. [07:05:39] I don't think it would actually help with growth. [07:05:41] Where "encouraging" means putting banners/popups/flyovers etc. [07:05:44] But it would be a smart marketing move. [07:05:54] And it would boost the numbers, presumably. [07:05:59] So you'd have "progress". [07:06:05] Dunno. "If it's enough to login, is it really an emergency?" [07:06:13] magnifiche sorti e progressive [07:06:17] It was never an emergency. [07:06:28] I wonder how many people click the "X". [07:07:15] The "X" on the browser tab? ;) [07:07:21] :-) [07:07:44] I don't remember which version of Firefox removed it [07:08:38] Fiona: did you check that dashiki link on Wikimedia Forum? [07:08:53] No, didn't see it. [07:21:16] Fiona: see towards the end of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Fundraising_banner [07:22:45] * Fiona looks real quick. [07:22:49] https://metrics.wmflabs.org/static/public/dash/#projects=enwiki/metrics=NewlyRegistered [07:23:22] dashiki? [07:23:25] Right. [07:23:35] * Fiona clicks. [07:23:38] So many links to click. [07:24:06] Looks like it's gone up recently. [07:24:31] Oh, it's actually called Dashiki. [07:24:35] My goodness. [07:25:00] Interesting. [07:25:37] There are only two months of data visible there, so it's hard to tell how common such (small) peaks are. [07:59:08] Fiona: sleep! [08:09:09] ori: sleep! [08:23:07] YuviPanda: :D [08:23:09] yes [08:23:56] <_joe_> YuviPanda: ori is in fact a systemd service with socket activation (via IRC) [08:27:18] upstart! [08:27:22] upstart has socket activation! [08:27:30] * ori shakes fist [08:28:16] <_joe_> it does? [08:28:37] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/upstart-socket-bridge.8.html [08:28:54] <_joe_> yeah I always get lost in the docs for upstart [08:29:28] <_joe_> uhm not exactlyu the same thing as systemd's one [08:29:48] <_joe_> systemd socket activation is a good candidate for making hhvm restarts a breeze [08:31:53] * YuviPanda wonders when we'll start switching [08:31:55] so many more ifs [08:32:06] I guess we'll just have OS facts for hiera. [08:32:18] which... might not actually be a bad thing already, with all the distro branching going on [08:32:21] _joe_: ^ [08:32:33] although it does complicate things a bit more. [08:32:34] bleh [08:37:55] <_joe_> YuviPanda: we will for sure [08:38:37] <_joe_> YuviPanda: that's one of the reasons I want to have feature/capability branching in manifests and not branching based on facts directly [08:38:44] <_joe_> (like lsbdistcodename) [08:39:39] _joe_: right [08:39:46] did that EL patch get merged? [08:40:23] ori: _joe_ re: feature branches and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/173758/ have either of you convinced the other? [08:40:34] <_joe_> it's pretty easy to build a function that associates capabilities -> distro [08:40:34] <_joe_> and the reverse [13:51:52] Hi. How can I connect to the database from a program running not from the Labs? What value should be "server=" parameter in connection string? [13:52:36] You can't connect to labsdb from outside labs. [13:55:49] Clear. (And how I debug the program?...) [13:56:03] mbh: what program? [13:56:59] mbh: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tool_Labs/Database [13:57:27] this could be of help perhaps [13:57:48] look at how to configure mysql workbench... it might help [14:00:22] my current bots are written in C# in Visual Studio and runs under mono. With this program, so do not turn out, since I can't connect to the database from Visual Studio [14:00:37] it is api-bots [14:05:12] mbh: is "api-bots" the name of your program? [14:06:40] There are bots that receive data through api requests, not through database queries [14:07:03] Yes, all the bots in fact. :) [14:07:37] I don't understand you [14:07:57] On Wikimedia we have no bots editing via database. [14:08:11] So I still have no idea what you're trying to access the database for. [14:08:19] >receive data [14:08:58] No idea what you mean. [14:09:10] http://test.wikipedia.org/ can be used to test Wikimedia-related bots. [14:09:50] If your bot needs more access than https://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php provides, it's not a Wikimedia bot and we can't help. [14:10:17] But you can set your own MediaWiki wiki to test with, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MWV [14:10:31] you understand me wrong, forget [14:14:28] i said you then my current bots *read* information from api, not from db queries, you told me then all bots *write* through api [14:19:44] nope [14:45:13] mbh: if you want to connect to the labsdb databases from outside labs, you need to tunnel in. In Putty, set a port forward from port 3306 to enwiki.labsdb:3306, and then let your code connect to 127.0.0.1 [14:45:41] (not 'localhost', it has to be 127.0.0.1 as mysql will otherwise connect over a socket) [14:47:09] thanks, i try it [14:57:04] Only like... 200 e-mails this morning from Phabricator. [14:57:06] Goodness. [16:45:38] hola mbhie [17:12:22] Hi, how much hard disk space does the Wikimedia Foundation have, total? [17:23:10] I guess the question is for what [17:23:10] A lot of it is duplicate data/not used for storage... [21:23:07] ori: did you just kill beta labs? it's throwing 503 and that's usually because of HHVM [21:28:55] How pretty these graphs, lol https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fareja [21:29:42] chrismcmahon: i haven't touched beta, no [21:33:52] my bot currently editing in dewiki sometimes fails with return code "readonly/The wiki is currently in read-only mode" is this expected or is there a squid out of sync? [21:35:13] for the last 300 edits it was returned 4 times [21:35:50] We no longer use Squid for caching, we use Varnish. Also API requests aren't cached at all. [21:36:04] But might be that you hit an appserver that missed some syncs [21:39:23] TimStarling: I have a proposal for a user friendly Wikipedia captcha: http://archive.org/download/bub_gb_k2sV4r5NvSEC/bub_gb_k2sV4r5NvSEC_images.tar/gb_k2sV4r5NvSEC_000010.jpeg [21:45:39] Merlissimo: 1. Is it still happening, 2. If so, can you tell which host was processing your request? [21:46:30] user friendly is spambot friendly too :( [21:48:01] hoo: my bot has now done all needed edits. the last time was at 20:41. i am not logging the server [22:51:22] [[Tech]]; MarcoAurelio; /* Fastdelete script */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10697652&oldid=10686349&rcid=5757007