[02:51:53] <Carmela>	 Nemo_bis: Wait, so did https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758857 happen without Wikimedia ops saying okay?
[02:52:02] <Carmela>	 I see the note from Ryan Lane being like "don't do this."
[02:52:29] <Carmela>	 Oh, I see it now. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758857#c26
[02:57:54] <comets>	 what a dumb bug..
[02:59:03] <comets>	 only  certain logged in users needs https, anons don't, especially when a person who ahs bever edited wikipedia searches for something on google and is redirected here..
[02:59:25] <Carmela>	 comets: Lots of major sites are switching to HTTPS.
[02:59:46] <Carmela>	 If your Internet service provider can't support HTTPS well, that's a major issue with your ISP. :-)
[02:59:49] <comets>	 mainly social networking and email sites..
[03:00:13] <comets>	 well not just mine, 3/4 of the planet... :\
[03:00:18] <Carmela>	 And anything related to e-commerce, I hope?
[03:01:37] <comets>	 unless we are a commercial site dealing in private information (money transactions), its not important :\
[03:05:30] <Carmela>	 Can't you block the HTTPS cookie in your browser?
[03:05:34] <Carmela>	 Which browser are you using?
[03:06:58] <comets>	 ff 33
[03:07:14] <comets>	 it won't block it thanks to csteipps 'forcehttps" :\
[03:37:06] <Carmela>	 comets: Even with a browser plugin?
[03:45:38] <comets>	 yep, i tried a few...if forcehttps is removed, it refuses to "auto-log" into wikis
[06:04:26] <Nemo_bis>	 Carmela: IMHO they were even too nice
[06:05:20] <Nemo_bis>	 We've been the very last website to be converted to HTTPS search; hadn't been for us they would probably have made their search secure several releases ago
[06:18:21] <Carmela>	 The illusion of security.
[06:29:29] <Nemo_bis>	 The quotes were implied. :)
[06:29:56] <Nemo_bis>	 Or do I have to say "secure as in HTTPS"
[08:19:24] <pajz>	 So, before I made this edit - https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer:Pajz/common.js&diff=prev&oldid=135742247 - all pages were loading forever with the "status" message "Waiting for tools.wmflabs.org ..." in my browser. Is the server broken/... or is that particular script broken/defunct/...?
[08:53:49] <Nemo_bis>	 pajz: probably the latter; may also be slow 
[08:54:25] <Nemo_bis>	 Besides, that script used to load a lot of third party stuff
[08:55:10] <Nemo_bis>	 If it now works correctly and respects privacy policy, it should be stored on some MediaWiki namespace page (e.g. on Meta) and be loaded from there, in order to benefit from cache etc. etc.
[10:43:34] <Nemo_bis>	 Reported at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Lounge#Maps_loading_external_resources
[11:13:24] <pajz>	 Nemo_bis, ok, thanks.
[11:22:46] <tto>	 Anyone like to take a look at [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Google_thinks_Neuron_may_be_hacked]]? Reedy perhaps
[11:23:00] <tto>	 or someone who has access to WMF's Google Webmaster account
[11:23:25] <Nemo_bis>	 Already discussed on #wikimedia-operations the other day
[11:24:07] <Nemo_bis>	 Maybe hoo already filed it?
[11:25:34] <tto>	 Can't see anything in recent bugzilla filings
[11:26:26] <Nemo_bis>	 He often uses RT these days #cabal
[11:26:30] <tto>	 Nemo_bis: How long ago was the other day?
[11:26:42] <tto>	 Not seeing anything in recent days' logs
[11:27:00] <Nemo_bis>	 Search neuron :)
[11:27:29] <Nemo_bis>	 Better file a bug and cc Erik and Tim, nobody else actually manages to get stuff fixed with Google
[11:29:13] <tto>	 I'll do that
[11:29:16] <tto>	 Thanks as always :)
[11:41:34] <Krenair>	 Nemo_bis, uh, ok.
[11:42:15] <Nemo_bis>	 I preferred "village pimp" https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73305#c1
[11:42:18] <Nemo_bis>	 Hi Krenair 
[11:42:28] <Nemo_bis>	 You can also email Stu :) I'm not sure he reads bugmail
[11:42:29] <Krenair>	 you're suggesting they give me access?
[11:42:49] <Nemo_bis>	 Dunno who is supposed to
[11:45:35] <Reedy>	 Anyone can get access
[11:45:40] <Reedy>	 If they can get someone to add the DNS recods
[11:52:10] <Krenair>	 I don't know how much webmaster tools let you see
[11:58:37] <Nemo_bis>	 Krenair: not much
[11:58:51] <Nemo_bis>	 Incoming links, frequent search terms, things like that
[11:59:14] <Reedy>	 Neuron doesn't seem to be marked as "hacked" to me
[11:59:19] <Reedy>	 going directly, or via google search
[11:59:46] <Nemo_bis>	 On google.it it is
[11:59:52] <Krenair>	 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=neuron - "This site may be hacked."
[12:00:17] <Reedy>	 oh, it is
[12:00:23] <Reedy>	 just not obvious
[12:00:35] <Reedy>	 "Sign in to Webmaster Tools and check the Security Issues section to see details of sample URLs that may be hacked."
[12:01:12] <Nemo_bis>	 I hope someone checked the SVGs by now?
[12:01:57] <Krenair>	 So it seems google webmaster tools lets you set up other users to see the domain's info as well
[12:02:07] <Krenair>	 https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2451999?hl=en-GB
[12:02:32] <Reedy>	 When you've got access to DNS, it's as easy to just auth your own account
[12:02:41] <Krenair>	 Well I haven't
[12:02:56] <Reedy>	 Well, you technically have
[12:03:06] <Reedy>	 you can put a gerrit patchset to add it
[12:03:26] <Reedy>	 But I'm just poking ops to see if there actually is a "shared" account or similar
[12:03:30] <Nemo_bis>	 I think Google was scared by this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Issoria_lathonia.jpg
[12:04:05] <Nemo_bis>	 "Rod of Asclepius2", that's a useful image to have in a gallery!
[12:05:24] <Nemo_bis>	 No recent (2014) changes to files
[12:58:51] <Reedy>	 Nemo_bis: Krenair from google webmaster tools
[12:58:52] <Reedy>	 "Currently, we haven't detected any security issues with your site's content. If you want to learn more about security issues and how they could affect your site, review our resources for hacked sites."
[13:00:10] <Krenair>	 So why does it show that note?
[13:00:24] <Reedy>	 Out of date?
[13:01:50] <Nemo_bis>	 Google also has links to meta.wikipedia.org and quote.wikipedia.org for that matter
[13:02:11] <Nemo_bis>	 We've never figured out whether they're newly added or years old
[13:02:37] <Krenair>	 and sources.wikipedia.org
[13:03:08] <Krenair>	 and textbook.
[13:05:57] <Krenair>	 and commons.
[13:06:02] <Nemo_bis>	 and #redirect pages, and and and
[13:06:07] <Krenair>	 yeah :)
[13:06:12] <Nemo_bis>	 Any sort of 301 or 302 is unreliably treated
[13:50:53] <jem>	 Hi, I'am really confused, the API move action is giving me articleexists errors ("The destination article already exists and is not a redirect to the source article") when I have no doubt that it is a redirect to the source article
[13:55:08] <jem>	 Anyone?
[14:28:21] <Nemo_bis>	 jem: does the redirect have more than one revision?
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