[00:00:55] Is etherpad broken? [00:02:33] It seems to let me edit a document for a minute, then says I was disconnected. When I reconnect I see that only some of my changes got saved [00:03:40] I was cutting + pasting some lines around. Pretty sure this has caused some data loss now. [00:03:46] Krenair: how big a document? [00:03:53] 150 lines now [00:04:20] Hm. Usually it starts acting up around 700 or so [05:05:39] Hi. I have connection issues to en-wiki, sometimes to Commons: "he network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection" (via https, btw) [05:07:10] The status bar is showing multiple connection attempts per second. [05:07:16] The browser status bar, that is. [05:09:09] In another browser, the site loaded nicely. [05:09:39] the browser thats failing is? [05:10:21] comets: SeaMonkey 1.1.19. I prefer to use that for editing. [05:11:25] Strange: When I logged out from Commons, the .wikipedia.org cookie image doesn't show, while other projects' logout cookie images do. [05:11:28] no one uses that browser.. :\ [05:11:58] comets: I know. It's like when some people prefer to use Lynx for editing, or the Monobook skin. [05:12:48] Lynx and vi or vim or their favourite editor. [05:13:36] I'm going to restart SeaMonkey; maybe that will help. [05:15:10] I forgot that I was in ChatZilla from there, too. [05:15:37] working now? [05:15:58] comets: Yup. Seems to be fine. [05:16:25] comets: I'd left the browser on for several hours, so maybe there was a change somewhere. [05:16:41] comets: Login on https works, too. [05:18:24] Thanks. [06:13:11] Uh. The browser neglected to ask what protocol to use and tried SSLv3? [06:25:14] Hi. I still have issues connecting to en-wiki. For example, whey I try to visit a page, the status bar shows like the browser is trying to connect a hundred times, but then I get the "connection interrupted" message again. [06:30:42] Nemo_bis> Uh. The browser neglected to ask what protocol to use and tried SSLv3? [06:32:09] Ah. Weird was not that it didn't work, but that it worked after reboot :) [06:32:29] The browser was back to normal after restarting it. I'll check the settings first. [06:32:33] Mardus: try deleting all your cookies on the domain, if you're logged in [06:32:54] One thing at a time. [06:33:38] So, should it be prudent to disable SSLv3 and keep TLS? [06:33:48] fyi https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/17/protecting-users-against-poodle-by-removing-ssl-3-0-support/ [06:34:11] yes, if you can [06:34:20] Nemo_bis: Done [06:34:59] Nemo_bis: I remember there was a news story recently, that SSLv3 is outdates, but many sites still use it in a legacy capacity. [06:35:01] how to remove ssl completely from wikimedia? :\ [06:35:05] * outdated [06:36:00] Oh. Disabled SSLv3. Now: "SeaMonkey can't connect securely to en.wikimedia.org cuz SSL has been disabled" [06:36:34] And http access is also impossible like that. [06:39:42] Enabling SSLv3 doesn't connect either. Catch-22. [06:40:10] Nemo_bis: I'll try the cookie workaround somewhat later. [06:43:51] That's only to avoid being redirected to https, mind you [06:44:59] Nemo_bis: Ohh. [06:45:21] Mardus: http://kb.mozillazine.org/SSL_is_disabled#Check_SSL_settings [06:46:27] Nemo_bis: Even if SSL is turned back on, then I still have trouble connecting. [06:47:19] Mardus: In certain circumstances (e.g., government installations), SSL 3.0 has to be kept disabled. See Locking preferences how to accomplish that by forcing security.enable_ssl3 to false for the entire installation. [06:48:28] lolsigh http://kb.mozillazine.org/Cannot_connect_securely_because_the_site_uses_an_older_insecure_version_of_the_SSL_protocol [06:49:04] now if only I ever remembered my username on the wiki [06:49:43] Nemo_bis: Well, with SeaMonkey 1.1.19, if SSLv3 is disable, but TLS is kept on, I can't connect anyway, "cuz SSL is disabled". [06:52:40] I hope the TLS version used by SeaMonkey 1 isn't also too old [06:54:13] Nemo_bis: That's not the point: That version of SeaMonkey has Gecko/20100228 (4+ years old), TLS 1.0 was supposed to be like SSL 3.1 or somesuch. [06:56:40] Oh, to reiterate, if I turn SSLv3 off, but even if I keep TLS on, then SeaMonkey completely refuses to connect to Wikipedia's https, because "SSL is not turned on". [06:58:21] Well, if you don't discover what versions of TLS you support nobody will be able to help you [06:59:16] Nemo_bis: I might be able to find out from program file properties; that's like the first method to come to my mind right now. [07:00:59] Nemo_bis: The NSS SSL3 library version is 3.12.3.0. [07:15:43] so when is the sophisticated captcha system for account creation 'fix' due? ;) [07:16:34] * comets thinks every 2nd or 3rd account created on wikimedia is a spambot :\ [07:17:03] Never, probably [07:18:00] :'( [07:20:09] I've been secretly thinking that the 'connection refused' messages from my SeaMonkey were because I had very, every extensively used previous to test formatting on a page before I'd save it [07:29:11] * very, very [07:29:19] * page previews [09:54:20] I've erased the cookies, going to restart SeaMonkey. [09:57:40] So far, so good... [10:00:11] https kinda works, too [10:00:35] https login works, too. [10:00:56] (Oh, I removed all Wikipedia and Wikimedia-related cookies beforehand) [10:01:41] That's with SSLv3 turned on.. [10:04:10] If this issue returns, I'll have to track down each of the WP/WM domains in the long list of cookie permissions to only allow session cookies from WM/WP. [11:09:53] legoktm: or someone else, who is the best person within WMF to engage in conversation about aligning namespaces for the WSes and setting defaults [13:08:52] kick kick kick, EROR [13:09:05] Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:08:37 GMT [13:09:43] 10.128.0.108 presumably west coast servers [13:12:37] through, now .117 [13:14:42] yeah I'm getting errors too, and I'm also on the U.S. West Coast [13:15:44] 503 XD [13:18:44] where? [13:19:19] ah, yeah. bits-lb.ulsfo.wikimedia.org_ipv6 mentioned in #ops [13:19:27] andre__: I am getting errors for WD and enWS [13:20:29] thanks for bringing it up here. Looks like this is discussed currently in #wikimedia-operations [13:20:43] good-o [14:09:04] [[Tech]]; Jmandimba; [none]; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10260077&oldid=10245796&rcid=5668699 [14:09:54] [[Tech]]; -revi; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Jmandimba|Jmandimba]] ([[User talk:Jmandimba|talk]]) to last version by ArchiverBot; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10260083&oldid=10260077&rcid=5668702 [14:10:20] [[Tech]]; -revi; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/-revi|-revi]] ([[User talk:-revi|talk]]) to last version by Jmandimba; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10260093&oldid=10260083&rcid=5668710 [14:10:45] whoooops [21:41:54] who tripped on the wire