[08:44:32] 9 [10:37:58] [[Tech]]; Sabil.zadran; /* sabil jan zadran */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10227577&oldid=10170802&rcid=5660713 [10:39:59] [[Tech]]; Sabil.zadran; /* sabil jan; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10227592&oldid=10227577&rcid=5660714 [10:49:18] For me it looks like our servers are unable to create the smaller versions of new uploaded videos (since 10:22, 14. Okt. 2014, first noticed at File:Capturing-structure-and-function-in-an-embryonic-heart-with-biophotonic-tools-Movie1.ogv). Also a manuell reset of the trancoding don�t work for me. Can anybody proof this finding? [10:53:40] [[Tech]]; Tegel; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Sabil.zadran|Sabil.zadran]] ([[User talk:Sabil.zadran|talk]]) to last version by Billinghurst; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10227664&oldid=10227592&rcid=5660717 [20:29:42] marktraceur: hey, can you take a look into https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72115 to make sure it's not mediaviwer? [20:32:08] * marktraceur looks [20:35:03] greg-g: It might be the thumbnail prerendering [20:35:13] That got turned on on the beta cluster on...Thursday? [20:35:19] gi11es: ^^ [20:35:33] If it's a new image, anyway. [20:35:40] But it doesn't look like MMV [20:46:04] marktraceur: or someone on your team [20:46:05] of course [20:47:24] * marktraceur *is* the team [21:31:24] marktraceur: wow, I typed that "or someone on your team" bit right after my orig message, but the hotel wifi delayed it 17 minutes apparently. [21:31:42] greg-g: gj [21:40:25] Hi! Do you have a statistics of delays of fetching of an article. In Korea, sometimes I feel it is slower than before. [21:41:30] Ryuch_at_web: yes but not by country https://gdash.wikimedia.org/dashboards/frontend/ [21:41:43] Except when made on purpose https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Reports/ULSFOImpact [21:42:03] I need it by country... [21:42:10] Please join the RIPE Atlas https://atlas.ripe.net/apply/ to let us have better info next time (https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/09/how-ripe-atlas-helped-wikipedia-users/ ) [21:42:26] I know... this is what we have [21:43:00] If you have specific information like your IP/ISP and a traceroute with clear data showing performance degradation, file a bug in bugzilla [21:44:22] try mtr: if it shows something obviously wrong, bingo; there is even a version for Windows IIRC [21:44:33] Good idea. I will try. But not only pings, you have a tool to measure the real delay of fetching articles? [21:45:00] Usually such problems are subtle and very hard for you to measure and prove to those who could fix if they knew where to intervene [21:45:44] marktraceur: this file was uploaded in 2010, definitely unrelated to prerendering (which only happens for new files atm) [21:45:56] Ah. [21:46:28] Yap. It is a problem on fixing. But I would like to know the general situation and trends. [21:54:53] Ryuch_at_web: general trends are in that graph I linked [21:55:04] It's very aggregate [21:57:33] general trends by countries, i mean. Anyway thanks Nemo I will read more on ULSFOImpact. [21:58:51] " It is hard to quantify absolute gains but looks like in Japan, Korea and Indonesia gains are of several hundreds of milliseconds. Variability of weekly percentiles seems to be around 100 ms or less." [22:01:28] You know in Korea, the net is really fast. It takes more time these days. I feel we lose the readers and the editors due to relatively slow speed of fetching articles to other knowledge service providers. [22:11:22] Ryuch_at_web: it's definitely possible, but there is at least the intention in WMF to start measuring this stuff and possibly get another cache data centre in a place where it would make most difference [22:11:59] No idea if the thing is going anywhere, you'd have to ask on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Engineering/2014-15_Goals [22:12:43] But do try the easy things first :) sometimes it's just an ISP acting up and it's enough to bypass it [22:15:28] I see, Thank you for answering, Nemo. I will keep my eyes on the delays for a while. [22:42:00] cscott_a`: is ePub currently disabled ? [22:42:12] 15:21 < poli_> does anyone knows why the ePub and adf formats export options were removed from "Create book" feature in Wikipedia? [22:42:19] ^ do we know? [22:42:29] gwicke: [22:43:33] mutante: odf was definitely removed, we'd be happy to support an external html-to-odf service project [22:43:53] I *think* that's also true for epub, but am not sure [22:44:35] so the user asking is an OTRS person themselves [22:44:52] who wants to answer requests there [22:45:04] i found https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Offline_content_generator and it claims it does ePub [22:45:59] gwicke: thanks!