[00:46:36] <Svetlana>	 legoktm; that needs some cleanup (first ~4 lines): things like |mw.loader.load( mw.msg( 'js-raw', 'fr.wikipedia.org', 'MediaWiki:Gadget-AncreTitres.js' ) );| exist
[00:47:07] <Svetlana>	 instead of importscripturi(ugly long url here)
[00:56:20] <PiRSquared>	 Svetlana: mw.loader.load(ugly url) would be marginally faster, no?
[00:56:40] <Svetlana>	 does "marginally" mean "a lot" or "a little"?
[00:56:53] <PiRSquared>	 think Fermat
[00:57:47] <PiRSquared>	 (it means a little)
[00:58:04] <PiRSquared>	 I guess the time it takes to execute mw.msg is negligible
[00:58:57] <PiRSquared>	 Svetlana: where did you get mw.msg( 'js-raw', 'fr.wikipedia.org', 'MediaWiki:Gadget-AncreTitres.js' ) from? it doesn't work
[00:59:22] <Krenair>	 What's the context here?
[02:15:09] <Svetlana>	 wikipedia gives 403?
[02:15:18] <PiRSquared>	 um
[02:15:18] <sDrewth>	 something going on https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_Second_Supplement,_volume_3.djvu/23&action=edit ... You don't have permission to access /w/index.php on this server.
[02:15:20] <PiRSquared>	 yes
[02:15:55] <L235>	 Getting 403 on enwp?
[02:16:01] <PiRSquared>	 on all wikis
[02:16:10] <PiRSquared>	 now fixed
[02:16:21] <Svetlana>	 yea it's back now
[02:25:36] <comets>	 someone hacked in and implanted a password stealing virus ;)
[02:28:46] <sDrewth>	 comets: I hear that they broke in and stole all the nude photos
[02:34:01] <comets>	 oh shit, i hope they do not release it..no one wants to see Nerd Nudies... :P
[02:59:38] <Svetlana>	 how do I do this? "view a category in timestamp order, rather than in sortkey order?"
[06:43:00] <Nemo_bis>	 ah, nice :) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Legoktm/global.js
[10:34:44] <Svetlana>	 Augh.  This diff viewer sucks and there is no way around it unless I learn to use flaggedrevs from outside a web browser /and/ from outside the stupid diff viewer.
[10:50:02] <Nemo_bis>	 Svetlana: what diff viewer?
[10:51:57] <Svetlana>	 https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Интерференция_волн&diff=cur&oldid=54763562
[10:51:59] <Svetlana>	 The "Волны и возбуждающие их источники когерентны" paragraph is not compared with its old version.  It is compared with the wrong paragraph.
[10:53:15] <Nemo_bis>	 nihil sub sole novum
[10:53:29] <Nemo_bis>	 Imagine a world where the tens of millions are used to improve what editors actually use :)
[10:54:08] <Nemo_bis>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13462
[10:54:31] <Nemo_bis>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?component=wikidiff2&product=MediaWiki%20extensions&resolution=---&list_id=344024
[10:54:44] <Nemo_bis>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=70163&hide_resolved=1
[10:55:06] <Svetlana>	 Yes, I know.  In your first URL, the last comment is mine.  And "let's code things by hand instead of reusing modules other software uses" approach sucks.  They could've started using git diff and solve all the problems.
[10:55:56] <Nemo_bis>	 The last link is new
[10:56:00] <Svetlana>	 Good URLs, the last two, too.  Yeah.
[10:57:09] <Svetlana>	 I'm not very tempted to read what git diff does and manually code it in PHP though.
[10:58:01] <Svetlana>	 Is the diff produced by the API or by an extra piece of programming art?
[10:58:19] <Svetlana>	 Ah, wikidiff2 "extension". Hm.
[11:00:14] <Nemo_bis>	 AFAICS git diff is quite recent, 2005; and I doubt it was born perfect
[11:00:30] <Svetlana>	 Dunno.  Whatever people used for decades to do diffs.
[11:00:46] <Nemo_bis>	 GNU diff; that's what we use(d)
[11:00:54] <Nemo_bis>	 wikidiff2 is the modified version
[11:01:05] <Svetlana>	 I'm looking at a wiki instance at localhost.  Reproduced the issue.  Now what, — what does the wiki use if I uninstall the "extension"?
[11:01:23] <Svetlana>	 What'd it do if I remove wikidiff2?
[11:02:02] <Nemo_bis>	 Slower diff, dunno results
[11:02:11] <Nemo_bis>	 Gotta read http://fabiensanglard.net/git_code_review/diff.php sometime
[11:04:01] <Nemo_bis>	 Hm. https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/wikidiff/wikidiff.cpp?revision=4588&view=markup&pathrev=4588
[11:05:28] <Nemo_bis>	 Svetlana: if you want to do something useful you could expand/update https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDiff and friends ;)
[11:09:44] <Stryn>	 any idea of why https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luokka:Suositellut_artikkelit says "The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 286 total"? When I count those pages I get 287 pages of total. Also, when you click "next 200", there is "The following 87 pages are in this category, out of 286 total." So 200+87=286 then?
[11:12:00] <Nemo_bis>	 just cache? :) check the recentchangeslinked
[11:14:28] <Stryn>	 well I hope it's just cache... I noticed it yesterday
[11:17:49] <Nemo_bis>	 Sometimes categories have ghost entries for several years
[11:18:03] <Stryn>	 huh, not good
[11:18:06] <Nemo_bis>	 Usually less than a decade though
[11:21:24] <Svetlana>	 Nemo_bis: translation of technical mediawiki documentation is reasonably high on my todo list, yes.
[11:21:50] <Svetlana>	 I'm not impressed with how this computer is set up so it should take another few weeks before I start doing that.
[11:22:16] <Svetlana>	 I would probably be unable to expand it much, initially.
[11:37:32] <Nemo_bis>	 Svetlana: so git diff just uses http://www.xmailserver.org/xdiff-lib.html AFAICS
[13:26:16] <Svetlana>	 I see.
[13:26:36] <Svetlana>	 I could fire it onto two small revisions which I can reproduce the issue on and see whether it goofs up or not.