[03:22:55] <Nemo_bis>	 One thing I like in RT (and trac?) is that I can cc anyone by email, whether they're already registered or not
[04:12:51] <Nemo_bis>	 Ward Cunningham is everywhere, he invented the term "technical debt"?! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt#Consequences
[04:17:36] * comets invents wikicoins :D
[04:36:38] <Nemo_bis>	 I find this situation ridiculous. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758857#c23
[05:17:49] <Carmela>	 Nemo_bis: Nice find.
[08:25:21] <jeblad>	 I'm in Norway and the strange thing is, no wm site is presently available.. O_O
[08:26:22] <jeblad>	 Probably a dns-problem..
[09:49:00] <Svetlana>	 add an opendns or similar dns server
[13:20:39] <b_jonas>	 hello,
[13:21:04] <Reedy>	 hi,
[13:22:37] <Carmela>	 Hi.
[13:54:29] <b_jonas>	 yay! I did template magic with {{#switch:}}
[13:54:32] <b_jonas>	 and it seems to work
[13:54:36] <b_jonas>	 hope it won't break later
[14:27:19] <andrewbogott>	 YuviPanda: the /real/ private repo, or labs-private?
[14:27:34] <YuviPanda>	 andrewbogott: the real private one, where you've to define usernames + emails for icinga
[14:27:41] <YuviPanda>	 that then get picked up by contactgroups.cfg
[14:27:43] <andrewbogott>	 bah, stupid colloquey
[14:27:46] <YuviPanda>	 heh
[16:21:19] <lestaty>	 Hi folks! With whom I should talk about migrating a email (educacao@wikimedia.org) to the otrs?
[16:26:48] <Krenair>	 lestaty, what kind of email is that at the moment?
[16:27:09] <Krenair>	 just an alias that delivers to a bunch of people's accounts? google group...?
[16:27:29] <lestaty>	 a alias to few peoples
[16:28:47] <lestaty>	 I will request a otrs queue, but I think the address need to be "free" before (I think)
[16:29:17] <Krenair>	 Well, to have mail actually delivered there, yes
[16:31:49] <lestaty>	 so, firstly I request the queue or the release of the email Krenair?
[16:32:19] <Krenair>	 I think that bit can be done later. Probably. I asked in -operations because hopefully someone there knows about this.
[16:32:32] <lestaty>	 thanks :)
[19:06:07] <Nemo_bis>	 MaxSem: did you see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70712 ?
[19:27:22] <MaxSem>	 Nemo_bis, it's for zerowiki only
[19:27:58] <MaxSem>	 argh, and meta
[19:29:28] <MaxSem>	 Nemo_bis, since yurik;s not here, reverting
[19:46:47] <Nemo_bis>	 MaxSem: thanks
[21:50:27] <legoktm>	 What's limit for how long of a query string you can use in a GET request to wmf servers?
[21:51:24] <Reedy>	 legoktm: Presumably the RfC length
[21:51:26] <Reedy>	 255?
[21:52:01] <legoktm>	 there's also suhosin.get.max_value_length too right?
[21:52:12] * legoktm checks what that is set to
[21:52:43] <legoktm>	 hm, that's not set
[21:52:53] <legoktm>	 let me just test 255 :P
[21:53:25] <legoktm>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text=1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[21:53:26] <legoktm>	 works fine
[21:53:40] <legoktm>	 and that's 256 1's
[21:55:21] <Reedy>	 Do we even use suhosin?
[21:55:56] <domas>	 query string 255?
[21:55:59] <domas>	 are you people kidding, right?
[21:56:26] <Reedy>	 google says 2048
[21:56:29] <Reedy>	 fun :P
[21:56:34] <legoktm>	 legoktm@terbium:~$ php -v
[21:56:34] <legoktm>	 PHP 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.13+wmf1 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jul 23 2014 13:49:15) 
[21:56:35] <domas>	 it is different per browser/server/etc
[21:56:45] <domas>	 HTTP spec does not define it
[21:56:46] <MatmaRex>	 the query string can be long-ass, in my experience
[21:56:51] <legoktm>	 heh
[21:56:53] <MatmaRex>	 i'm helpful, eh?
[21:57:11] <legoktm>	 is there an easy way to figure it out besides just testing it?
[21:57:18] <domas>	 e.g. firefox has 64k _visibility_ limit, but supports urls longer than that
[21:57:27] <domas>	 IE has 2k limit
[21:57:27] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Query_string
[21:57:41] <MatmaRex>	 legoktm: binary search it? :D
[21:57:42] <legoktm>	 basically for pywikibot we're trying to figure out at what length we need to convert our GET requests into POST requests due to query string length
[21:57:51] <Reedy>	 legoktm: Just fucking use post?
[21:58:00] <legoktm>	 that's what we do right now :PPP
[21:58:14] <domas>	 LIMIT IS WHERE YOU GET 414!!!!
[21:58:43] <domas>	 anyway, the least correct answer is '255' :)
[21:58:53] <legoktm>	 heh
[21:59:00] <Reedy>	 I guess anything < 255 would be even less correct
[21:59:03] <domas>	 255 is maximum host name length I think
[21:59:06] <legoktm>	 so just see if we get a 414 and then resend as post sounds good
[21:59:07] <Nemo_bis>	 we regularly have people breaking their installs with 255 or similar because load.php URLs can't be loaded
[22:00:08] <Reedy>	 I'm not completely insane then for thinking 255...
[22:01:50] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: hmm
[22:01:58] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: wgResourceLoaderMaxQueryLength
[22:02:09] <MatmaRex>	 i *knew* there's a config variable for this.
[22:02:39] <MatmaRex>	 'false' by default, for "use php limit", though.
[22:03:28] <MatmaRex>	 hah, there's a env check in the installer. it poops if the max length is under 1024.
[22:03:37] <MatmaRex>	 MYSTERY SOLVED
[22:10:02] <Nemo_bis>	 Sure, there is
[22:10:28] <Nemo_bis>	 Totally unclear what the effects are in the wild but sometimes tweaking it fixes the issue