[08:00:52] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; 141.2.134.207; /* Image upload equivalent command to SSH? */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9725630&oldid=9713778&rcid=5542765
[08:21:00] <Taketa>	 Hi
[08:21:36] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hi Taketa 
[08:21:45] <Taketa>	 Hi Sjoerddebruin
[08:22:01] <Taketa>	 I have a question
[08:22:22] <Taketa>	 I would like to suggest a an extra button on the top of a page when you view the history of a page, how do I request this?
[08:23:02] <Taketa>	 for example, if you view https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lionel_Palairet&oldid=580971355
[08:23:29] <Taketa>	 on the top it gives links to Previous revision, Latest revision and Newer revision
[08:24:52] <Taketa>	 however it is very hard to look through a large history using only the next and last revisions, and you loose the date you are at if you leave and look at the entire history, so I suggest adding a button "history", that sends you to the related history
[08:25:28] <Taketa>	 so if the edit is in 2008, it sends you to the page that shows you the 50 surrounding edits from 2008
[08:26:03] <Taketa>	 I think it will help make all Wikimedia archives alot more accessable. How do I propose this?
[08:31:27] <Taketa>	 If anyone read this and wants to respond, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Taketa
[08:32:25] <jeremyb>	 you could write it
[08:32:37] <jeremyb>	 or file a bug requesting the feature
[08:33:56] <Taketa>	 How and where. Also I do not have an account on the bug request page and do not really want one
[08:34:32] <Taketa>	 As a Wikimedian global user, where do I go to request / propose something like this?
[08:35:54] <jeremyb>	 depends on how badly you want it
[08:36:09] <jeremyb>	 you might find it's not so hard to get over the hurdle of bugzilla account creation
[08:37:17] <Taketa>	 I am a Wikimedian, surely wikimedia has a requestpage?
[08:37:37] <jeremyb>	 ok, do what you want :)
[08:37:51] <Taketa>	 I do not know how and where to go.
[08:37:55] <jeremyb>	 "wikimedia" (meta?) also has a search box
[08:38:17] <jeremyb>	 i suggest you file a bug
[08:38:32] <Taketa>	 Wikimedia is all Wikimedia Foundation projects
[08:38:50] <Taketa>	 Bugzilla does not allow me to access its site and is not free
[08:39:06] <jeremyb>	 maybe you could elaborate?
[08:39:30] <Taketa>	 I want a page on Wikimedia projects where I can propose changes to Wikimedia software 
[08:40:13] <jeremyb>	 "provide extra history link at top of diff/permalink pages which shows current revision in context"
[08:40:23] <jeremyb>	 > <Taketa> Bugzilla does not allow me to access its site and is not free
[08:40:34] <jeremyb>	 citation needed. for both statements
[08:40:40] <jeremyb>	 doesn't allow you to?
[08:40:47] <jeremyb>	 prove it. screenshot maybe
[08:40:55] <Taketa>	 What is unclear about [10:40] <jeremyb> "provide extra history link at top of diff/permalink pages which shows current revision in context"
[08:40:59] <jeremyb>	 not free? same thing. i want verification
[08:41:20] <jeremyb>	 i think it's clear. i just wrote it. why?
[08:41:35] <Taketa>	 you say that that sentence of mine needs clarifying, please elaborate
[08:41:46] <Taketa>	 what exactly about the request is unclear 
[08:42:38] <jeremyb>	 "does not allow me to access its site"
[08:42:47] <jeremyb>	 "is not free"
[08:42:55] <jeremyb>	 both of those statements need citations
[08:43:10] <jeremyb>	 as i said before "screenshot maybe"
[08:43:39] <Taketa>	 I will not use bugzilla since it is an outside site
[08:43:42] <Taketa>	 very simple
[08:44:14] <jeremyb>	 not simple
[08:44:17] <Taketa>	 http://www.bugzilla.org/
[08:44:20] <jeremyb>	 define your terms
[08:44:24] <Taketa>	 Portions of this work are © 1998-2014 by individual bugzilla.org contributors.
[08:44:28] <jeremyb>	 "outside site"?
[08:44:33] <jeremyb>	 ok, so what?
[08:44:46] <Taketa>	 as a non-logged in user, I cannot file a request
[08:44:58] <Taketa>	 so it is not free in content and not free in use
[08:45:15] <jeremyb>	 similar copyright statements hold for mediawiki. and for that matter for linux even
[08:45:24] <jeremyb>	 you're wrong
[08:45:34] <jeremyb>	 i suggest you read the channel /topic
[08:45:40] <jeremyb>	 * Topic for #wikimedia-tech is: Status: Up | Technical help for Wikimedia wikis: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech | Server admin log: http://bit.ly/wikisal | Channel is logged: http://ur1.ca/edq1o | Bugs: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org | Error counts: http://ur1.ca/edq1f
[08:45:42] <Taketa>	 I have a simple request and reject your solution, please be friendly and either offer another solution or stop badgering the person making a good will request
[08:46:01] <jeremyb>	 hah
[08:46:40] <Taketa>	 you win an internet argument and have not helped a good will user, but upset them , congratulations jeremyb
[08:46:48] <jeremyb>	 for that matter, read the wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bugzilla
[08:46:57] <Taketa>	 and stop telling people to read things
[08:47:11] <jeremyb>	 then stop telling me bugzilla is not free?
[08:47:29] <jeremyb>	 and stop telling me it won't let you make an account?
[08:47:57] <Taketa>	 I have a simple request, where can I, a Wikimedia user, post a request on a Wikimedia project, to request a change in Wikimedia software
[08:48:08] <Taketa>	 this is Wikimedia-tech
[08:48:25] <Taketa>	 not #bugzilla
[08:49:47] <jeremyb>	 i think you're stuck in the world you decided exists. but that is not reality. we don't track requests to change mediawiki core on mediawiki itself
[08:49:57] <jeremyb>	 IMHO this change you've proposed belongs in core
[08:50:02] <jeremyb>	 so where does that leave us?
[08:50:21] <jeremyb>	 you should file in the place where we as a project have decided to track this type of issue
[08:50:43] <Taketa>	 Yet I cannot log in there with my project global unified account
[08:50:44] <jeremyb>	 OR ignore my advice and you can do your own research about where to request
[08:51:01] <Taketa>	 I ask it here, not just to you, but to all, how do I as a user request help
[08:51:01] <jeremyb>	 no. bugzilla.wikimedia.org requires a separate registration
[08:51:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 There is a new system coming that will replace bugzilla and with SUL-integration.
[08:51:37] <Taketa>	 not just a seperate registration. I had an account once, there, it requires a seperate learning curve
[08:52:06] <Taketa>	 Coming. But is there serioursly no helpdesk on Wikipedia or meta to assist people
[08:52:32] <jeremyb>	 sjoerddebruin, i thought about this. but Taketa should file before the migration is done...
[08:52:54] <Taketa>	 Also jeremyb, you speak words that are incrowd words, completel non-understandable to non-tech people. What is core for example
[08:53:33] <jeremyb>	 learning curve? seriously? i'm not asking you to file the bug perfectly. i can move it to the right component for you. i just want you to fill out 2 fields. "summary" and "description"
[08:54:20] <Taketa>	 why can I not place a request on Wikipedia or meta and then you do whatever bugzilla does?
[08:54:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bug_reports_and_feature_requests
[08:54:35] <Taketa>	 why is a request here not good enoughj?
[08:55:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 Wikidata has a page for it. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team
[08:56:11] <Taketa>	 that page only allows requests concerning Wikidata specifically
[08:57:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, I know.
[08:59:28] <Nemo_bis>	 Taketa: I'm getting confused by the conversation above. Answer: please use the form at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi thanks
[08:59:48] <Taketa>	 it asks my email and a password
[09:00:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 So you get updates by e-mail about your request. <3
[09:00:20] <Nemo_bis>	 Taketa: yes it does
[09:00:42] <Taketa>	 Can I do this without giving this non-Wikimedia site my email and password?
[09:00:51] <jeremyb>	 THIS IS A WIKIMEDIA SITE
[09:00:53] <Nemo_bis>	 Non-Wikimedia site?
[09:00:54] <jeremyb>	 FULL STOP
[09:01:01] <Nemo_bis>	 what do you think wikimedia.org means in the URL?
[09:01:07] <Taketa>	 it is mediawiki
[09:01:14] <Nemo_bis>	 it's not MediaWiki
[09:02:04] <jeremyb>	 "think outside the box" comes to mind. you seem to have cornered yourself in a very narrow box
[09:03:17] <jeremyb>	 and everything we say, you just put fingers in your ears and say la la la la la?
[09:03:42] <jeremyb>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version has a copyright notice too
[09:04:03] <Taketa>	 Jeremy, everything I say you say log in there. I do not want to log in there. 
[09:04:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 Why?
[09:04:30] <Taketa>	 I have no idea what site it is. I just want to request something
[09:05:09] <Taketa>	 I am talking to people who can answer to request or pass it on. If not, please stop trying to impose logging in on me. 
[09:05:59] <Taketa>	 I do not want to make accounts on websites I do not know, and do not want to start reading up about this bugzilla website
[09:06:09] <Nemo_bis>	 Nobody cares
[09:06:11] <Nemo_bis>	 Please go away
[09:06:27] <Taketa>	 I am asking help
[09:06:29] <Nemo_bis>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9578 your idea is already filed; if you care about it register and subscribe, otherwise worse for you
[09:06:31] <Taketa>	 this is a help irc channel
[09:06:36] <Nemo_bis>	 You're not asking help
[09:06:39] <Taketa>	 i am
[09:06:53] <Nemo_bis>	 You're trying to impose your own idiosincracies on the channel
[09:06:55] <Taketa>	 i cannot comply with the suggestion and simply ask another method
[09:06:58] <Taketa>	 I am not
[09:07:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 There is no other method.
[09:07:12] <Taketa>	 I am not making any forced chanes in the channel, not imposing anything on anyone
[09:07:20] <Nemo_bis>	 Other method: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:random/Talk
[09:07:25] <Taketa>	 Anyone can file a request on that site
[09:07:30] <Taketa>	 your words
[09:07:34] <Taketa>	 so why not do it
[09:07:44] <Nemo_bis>	 Alternatively, http://p.defau.lt/new.html ; your request or proposal will be dutely considered
[09:08:13] <Nemo_bis>	 duly
[09:08:15] <Taketa>	 what is that link to nemo?
[09:08:23] <Nemo_bis>	 a website that doesn't ask you login
[09:08:41] <Taketa>	 but what does it do?
[09:09:23] <Nemo_bis>	 sigh
[09:09:26] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm out
[09:11:36] <Taketa>	 so all the answer say 1 thing. Make a new acount, on a new website and make a request there. In short, there is no page that accepts a global Wikimedia account to do a tech request about wikimedia
[09:13:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 Because developers need to develop instead of wasting time on a page sending users to a already existing bug?
[09:13:40] <Taketa>	 so that is what volunteers are for
[09:14:35] <Taketa>	 certainly there must be volunteers to help the developers
[09:14:39] <Taketa>	 anyway I found the page
[09:14:52] <jeremyb>	 hah
[09:14:53] <Taketa>	 the tech request page
[09:15:06] <Taketa>	 seems a bit empty, but considering noone on wikimedia-tech could point me to it...
[09:15:29] <Taketa>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech
[09:15:38] <Taketa>	 with a nice big ask a question button
[09:16:41] <Taketa>	 but I don;t think I will post there, waste of time it seems since the place is deserted
[09:17:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 Because most people will find their way to bugzilla.
[09:17:42] <Taketa>	 how many people have?
[09:18:06] <Taketa>	 I have posted requests here before, always meeting someone nice to post the request
[09:18:28] <sjoerddebruin>	 37 in the last 24 hours https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?chfield=%5BBug%20creation%5D&chfieldfrom=24h&list_id=341053
[09:18:29] <Taketa>	 yet today only people who only wanted to explain that I need to read and log in
[09:18:49] <Taketa>	 out of the hundreds of millions who visited, nice
[09:19:03] <sjoerddebruin>	 What "hundreds of millions" are you talking about?
[09:19:13] <Taketa>	 wiki users
[09:19:18] <jeremyb>	 also, not twist the words you see to mean something they don't. not every copyright statement is evil
[09:19:18] <Taketa>	 visitors
[09:19:28] <sjoerddebruin>	 Do they all need to report bugs?
[09:19:58] <Taketa>	 jeremy, I read it on the first page. I need to read probably a page or two to find out anything else
[09:20:34] <Taketa>	 I have seen people who did and couldn't. Usually Romaine answers all Dutch Wikipedia requests for tech support
[09:20:57] <Taketa>	 i know this place, so I come here
[09:22:23] <Taketa>	 also, why has the 2007 request not done anything? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9578
[09:22:33] <Taketa>	 7 years time to implement a problem I notice again
[09:22:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 There are a lot of bugs like that.
[09:22:51] <Taketa>	 7 years
[09:23:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah? You can work on it.
[09:23:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 Everyone can.
[09:23:50] <Taketa>	 Again, new website
[09:24:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 New website?
[09:24:11] <Taketa>	 I do not want to learn bugzilla
[09:24:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 Bugzilla is the place to do this stuff since 2004.
[09:24:35] <jeremyb>	 so, don't use then. use gerrit instead
[09:24:59] <Taketa>	 yes, and wikipedia exists since 2001, yet we help people who do not want to do edits themselves
[09:25:00] <jeremyb>	 write the patch, test it on labs, send it to gerrit
[09:25:16] <jeremyb>	 not really
[09:25:17] <Taketa>	 it is a link to someone named gerrit?
[09:25:28] <Taketa>	 I do not know what that notepad is or does. Noone explained even when I asked
[09:25:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org
[09:25:37] <jeremyb>	 people are constantly writing us to ask us to make edits
[09:25:48] <jeremyb>	 we typically don't just make the edit for them
[09:25:57] <Taketa>	 Wikipedia does
[09:26:01] <Taketa>	 tech support doesn;t nice
[09:26:15] <jeremyb>	 no. wikipedia *doesn't*
[09:26:25] <Taketa>	 I am an OTRS volunteer. The Dutch Wikipedia does
[09:26:44] <Taketa>	 If we agree and if the change is supported
[09:26:45] <jeremyb>	 i'll go look at your dutch boilerplates then :)
[09:26:56] <Taketa>	 you speak riddles again
[09:27:14] <jeremyb>	 i'm looking at your OTRS templates
[09:27:22] <sjoerddebruin>	 You can expect that in a technical channel.
[09:27:23] <jeremyb>	 not a riddle
[09:28:38] <Taketa>	 The Dutch Wiki OTRS even has a seperate system to send us images and we post them for the people.
[09:28:50] <Taketa>	 they dont even need to learn Wikimedia Commons
[09:29:53] <jeremyb>	 btw, what do you think OTRS is?
[09:29:56] <jeremyb>	 1) copyrighted
[09:29:56] <jeremyb>	 2) requires separate login that's not SUL
[09:29:56] <jeremyb>	 why do you use it?
[09:30:01] <Taketa>	 volunteer response team
[09:30:22] <jeremyb>	 yeah, we have that in english too
[09:30:36] <Taketa>	 I volunteer for it because it does good work, and an OTRS admin asked me in person
[09:30:39] <Taketa>	 during a wikimeet
[09:30:51] <jeremyb>	 but not for insert 3 words "foo bar baz" in sentence Y on article X
[09:30:53] <jeremyb>	 that we don't do
[09:31:40] <Taketa>	 are you saying I am here asking to insert 3 words "foo bar baz" and not stating a request in full sentences?
[09:32:39] <jeremyb>	 ok, we also don't do posting entire paragraphs or sections to articles.
[09:33:10] <Taketa>	 but you do make changes to improve them when something is wrong
[09:33:28] <jeremyb>	 maybe
[09:33:31] <Taketa>	 a user asked for an improvement 7 years ago already, I am repeating the request
[09:33:43] <Taketa>	 it is simple to do the answer said
[09:33:49] <Taketa>	 yet nothing has been done
[09:34:07] <jeremyb>	 ok, so you're welcome to write the patch yourself
[09:34:12] <jeremyb>	 or hire someone to do it
[09:34:19] <Taketa>	 I am not a specialist
[09:34:33] <jeremyb>	 or write a grant proposal and use the grant money to hire someone
[09:34:44] <jeremyb>	 or wait 10 more years and see what happens
[09:34:56] <Taketa>	 I am a volunteer writer, counting on the WMF to give tech support
[09:35:22] <Taketa>	 It should be reasonable to be able to ask tech support
[09:35:36] <jeremyb>	 really?
[09:35:37] <Taketa>	 and if asked that it be done or at least declined in some manner
[09:37:12] <Taketa>	 I am quiting this IRC, I found something to improve and wanted help. Your answers were very spitefull, pushing towards bugzilla when I stated I did not want an account there
[10:00:37] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Taketa; /* Extra button when viewing history */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9726692&oldid=9725630&rcid=5542955
[10:03:21] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Jeremyb; /* Extra button when viewing history */ spelling/external link -> interwiki; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9726712&oldid=9726692&rcid=5542958
[10:19:01] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Taketa; /* Extra button when viewing history */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9726837&oldid=9726712&rcid=5542972
[10:19:30] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Taketa; /* Extra button to view history */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9726842&oldid=9726837&rcid=5542975
[10:28:34] <EdSaperia>	 It is a very common misconception I see, that people think of Wikipedia like a commercial product rather than a frontier wilderness.
[10:29:24] <EdSaperia>	 It's a collaborative document protocol and some namespaces, little more or less.
[10:30:04] <jeremyb>	 well in this case, it turns out it was a local nlwiki crat and also an OTRS agent
[10:30:38] <jeremyb>	 nice to see you, too bad didn't make it to london
[10:30:45] <jeremyb>	 see you in mexico city?
[10:38:33] <EdSaperia>	 Hope so :)
[10:39:07] <EdSaperia>	 Yeah, shame you missed London, it went well.
[10:39:20] <EdSaperia>	 Videos up soon; main stage ones are already up.
[10:40:47] <jeremyb>	 i'm busy watching dockercon and DebConf videos :P
[10:41:14] <jeremyb>	 http://www.dockercon.com/ && http://debconf14.debconf.org/
[10:42:47] <EdSaperia>	 Raph Koster's one is pretty fun
[11:00:57] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Nemo bis; /* Extra button to view history */ tracked; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9727181&oldid=9726842&rcid=5543166
[12:31:24] <Svetlana>	 MatmaRex, hi. You had complained that I send too many messages. I'm goint to stop now, I guess; people are making me sad more and more as each day goes - I may need a break. Thanks.
[12:51:10] <thedjNotWMF>	 Svetlana: welcome to our world :)
[12:51:47] <Svetlana>	 thedjNotWMF: he complained that I'm sending too many mails to wikitech-l. I wasn't even abrasive there, until a point when he said that he's not going to read me.
[12:52:02] <Svetlana>	 I'm trying to god damn analyse how to improve things.
[12:52:25] <thedjNotWMF>	 Svetlana: got to undestand, that much of this is not new. people are overloaded with information.
[12:52:31] <Svetlana>	 why is that suck a problem to read me? have I been /that/ nonsensical in the past?
[12:52:38] <Svetlana>	 such*
[12:52:56] <Svetlana>	 I haven't been pushing some propaganda or trolling, after all.
[12:56:04] <Nemo_bis>	 Usually, when you wonder if you should take the break, it means you should
[12:56:19] <Nemo_bis>	 (generic "you")
[12:56:28] <MatmaRex>	 hi.
[12:56:29] <MatmaRex>	 i'm here.
[13:06:34] <Carmela>	 Hi.
[13:06:42] <Cookies52>	 hey
[13:06:43] <andre__>	 hi.
[13:07:16] <Nemo_bis>	 moi
[13:07:40] <Cookies52>	 hey, has PC on enwiki changed at all?
[13:07:49] * Cookies52 looks at thedjNotWMF
[13:07:50] <Nemo_bis>	 my PC is always the same on en.wiki
[13:08:05] <Cookies52>	 hmmm... Pending changes seems to be using flagged revisions more...
[13:08:18] <Nemo_bis>	 what's that supposed to mean?
[13:08:21] <Cookies52>	 oh, I've changed to British English, haven't I
[13:08:27] * Cookies52 slaps himself
[13:08:33] <Nemo_bis>	 ouch
[13:08:52] <Nemo_bis>	 Good luck with that, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1495
[13:09:52] <Cookies52>	 yeah, that was the issue
[13:10:05] * Cookies52 reminds himself to properly translate that
[13:11:30] <Nemo_bis>	 Not translate but customise locally
[13:12:57] <Nemo_bis>	 ugh, so confusing :( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=rev&filter=modified&lang=en&limit=50
[13:13:31] <Nemo_bis>	 sigh https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Rev-deleted-user-contribs&action=history
[13:15:38] <Nemo_bis>	 how mysterious https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Review-logentry-app&action=history
[13:16:18] <Nemo_bis>	 no wonder it's a mess https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=&limit=500&type=import&user=Catrope&page=&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1
[13:16:44] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ugh, local translations
[13:17:07] <Cookies52>	 sjoerddebruin, yeah, I know
[13:17:24] <sjoerddebruin>	 maintenance sensitive as hell
[13:19:42] <Nemo_bis>	 Cookies52: you don't have +sysop afaics, do you
[13:20:20] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, no, I just plan to spam {{edit-protected}} as and when it annoys me too much... LO
[13:27:21] <Nemo_bis>	 Cookies52: ok; please also consider a) asking MediaWiki pages to be deleted when they're the same as the original, b) sending a patch to MediaWiki for customisation which are not actual customisations (like the hyphen to dash conversion above, or version -> revision)
[13:27:59] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10352
[13:28:04] <Nemo_bis>	 Sending your first patch is easy even if you're Nemo_bis https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Tutorial and you can also use https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Gerrit_patch_uploader
[13:28:31] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, right, ok :)
[13:28:46] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: (curiously, you commented that you don't see the point in doing that :) )
[13:29:43] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, so these can mainly be dealt with on the local side, but any page renames need to be done on the git side?
[13:34:53] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, where are the local versions located ie. what do I need to append to show them up?
[13:58:28] <Nemo_bis>	 MatmaRex: sure, but one thing is a general conversion and another a "local" specific normalisation in some direction
[13:59:19] <Nemo_bis>	 Cookies52: for the MediaWiki side, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation#Changing_existing_messages
[14:00:32] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, thanks
[14:00:41] <Nemo_bis>	 Messages are in subdirectories of https://git.wikimedia.org/tree/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FFlaggedRevs/HEAD/i18n , files like https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FFlaggedRevs/HEAD/i18n%2Fflaggedrevs%2Fen.json
[14:01:43] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, right... this will be fun then :P
[14:03:23] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, same directory for Pending changes then?
[14:04:01] <Nemo_bis>	 For the wiki side, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=&filter=modified&lang=en&limit=5000 is the list of modified messages
[14:04:23] <Nemo_bis>	 Cookies52: the directories are all equivalent
[14:04:37] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, right, thanks ;)
[14:04:39] <Cookies52>	 :)
[14:05:01] <Nemo_bis>	 if there was a sensible prefix you could use that in special:allmessages...
[14:06:12] <Nemo_bis>	 But if you do one file at a time it may be possible, e.g. https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FFlaggedRevs/HEAD/i18n%2Fstablepages%2Fen.json are all in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=stablepages&filter=modified&lang=en&limit=5000
[14:06:35] <Cookies52>	 so I'm guessing https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Editingold/en-gb&action=edit would be unneeded and could be deleted?
[14:07:59] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, ^
[14:08:15] <Nemo_bis>	 Cookies52: no; currently, customised pages need to be customised for all language code subpages to take effect
[14:08:48] <Nemo_bis>	 but if MediaWiki:Editingold/en-gb was the same as https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Editingold/en-gb then it could be deleted
[14:10:11] <Nemo_bis>	 There are very few messages in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=&filter=modified&lang=en-gb&limit=5000 , so either most ns8 pages are not customisations or the en-gb locale on en.wiki is missing hundreds
[14:11:26] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, ah ok. But if it's the same on git and locally, then it can be deleted?
[14:13:24] <Nemo_bis>	 Cookies52: yes
[14:13:46] <Nemo_bis>	 and reducing differences where possible is always appreciated (though "where possible" is often tricky)
[14:16:17] <Cookies52>	 Nemo_bis, all right, thanks
[14:59:12] <Nemo_bis>	 hmpf https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/license/warn
[15:00:30] <^d>	 Nemo_bis: hmpf at the warning? or hmpf at mingle in general?
[15:02:51] <MatmaRex>	 so, we have 28 days to migrate to phabricator? :P
[15:03:00] <^d>	 gogogogo
[19:01:35] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; NavinoEvans; /* Wikipedia backlinks counter */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9731170&oldid=9727181&rcid=5544331
[19:27:50] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Od Mishehu; /* Extra button to view history */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9731438&oldid=9731170&rcid=5544365
[19:38:37] <csteipp>	 gwicke: Is there a Knockout -> TAssembly compiler for PHP? https://github.com/mattofak/knockoff afaict is just displaying the TAssembly, right?
[19:44:33] <gwicke>	 csteipp: the compiler is currently only implemented in JS, while the TAssembly runtime has JS & (less optimized) PHP implementations
[19:45:10] <csteipp>	 gwicke: Thanks
[19:45:12] <gwicke>	 compilation is normally something that happens on the server (or even a git hook)
[19:47:14] <gwicke>	 for third party use we could just check the json into git
[19:47:26] <gwicke>	 (or port to PHP obviously)
[19:47:39] <gwicke>	 (if we care about shared hosting + custom templates)
[23:56:02] <Carmela>	 Svetlana: When we look at trends and patterns among mailing list contributors, you're an outlier.
[23:56:19] <Carmela>	 Nobody else is posting as much as you. And that generally indicates a problem.
[23:56:47] <ori>	 it does?
[23:57:41] <jeremyb>	 Pine is also very active. not that i've taken a quantitative look
[23:58:01] <jeremyb>	 maybe you have specific messages in mind but i don't think that's necessarily true in general
[23:58:08] <jeremyb>	 i.e. that it's a problem
[23:58:25] <mutante>	 you could have one person who talks all day about all the problems they fixed :)
[23:58:27] <jeremyb>	 casey is an outlier too: he's on every list under the sun
[23:58:56] <mutante>	 how do you do that technically, btw?
[23:58:57] <jeremyb>	 i forget what language it was, he was on the list for some lang he doesn't speak. and they removed him. and he complained!
[23:59:09] <mutante>	 do you have a special subscriber on all lists?
[23:59:23] <jeremyb>	 what do you mean?
[23:59:34] <jeremyb>	 he just subscribes to them all manually. i assume
[23:59:35] <mutante>	 i am wondering how the trends are made
[23:59:39] <jeremyb>	 oh
[23:59:41] <mutante>	 you need all mails for that
[23:59:47] <jeremyb>	 different person/question :)
[23:59:53] <Trminator>	 mutante: hum, I'd guess that the mailserver a) keeps logs of the incoming mails for all lists, and b)maybe keeps an archive of the lists?