[03:30:26] Hi everyone, does anyone know how to [03:30:43] Hi everyone, does anyone know how to deploy mediawiki on multiple servers? [03:31:58] I don't mean one MySQL, one cache, etc. I mean multiple apache/php-fpm servers [03:32:07] how to deal with the storage? [03:40:27] [[Tech]]; 61.135.152.207; /* How to deploy MediaWiki on multiple servers? */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9602803&oldid=9581481&rcid=5514152 [03:42:19] [[Tech]]; 61.135.152.207; /* How to deploy MediaWiki on multiple servers? */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9602812&oldid=9602803&rcid=5514153 [03:54:47] ugh, wrong place to leave that note [03:54:49] and now you're gone [04:01:15] [[Tech]]; Billinghurst; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/61.135.152.207|61.135.152.207]] ([[User talk:61.135.152.207|talk]]) to last version by ArchiverBot; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9602918&oldid=9602812&rcid=5514162 [09:40:16] my custom JS isn't working in Firefox or Chrome but it's working fine in Safari, what is up with that [09:43:35] what does it do instead of working? [09:44:18] I have a custom clock that is appearing in Safari, but not in Firefox or Chrome [09:44:29] so this failure is simply not displaying [09:49:30] yeah maybe it says something in the error console of firefox? [09:49:50] how do I open that up [09:50:08] in firefox, it's in web tools, web console [09:51:07] ReferenceError: loadclock is not defined load.php:3 [09:51:07] "Use of "addOnloadHook" is deprecated. Use jQuery instead." [09:51:14] hm [09:52:06] so how do I update this crap to jquery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ryulong/monobook.js [10:04:27] Svetlana [10:09:03] Hi, sorry for this basic question: is the RT password the same as... Wikimedia SUL? wikitech.wikimedia.org? just its own? [10:09:29] Also, is it normal that using "Forgot your password" results in an email without any password? [10:13:07] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/RT doesn [10:13:11] 't say [10:18:40] Ryulong: the ref error is the problem. You are using something before it is defined. [10:18:57] Ryulong: try clearing your cache, see if it is fixed. [10:19:13] I opened up chrome which I don't use and it's there too [10:19:45] Ryulong: have you considered using the clock that is in the gadgets ? [10:20:09] no [10:20:47] http://pastebin.com/VXKpBtY6 [10:21:19] I prefer this old one [10:23:07] there was something about the gadget one I didn't like [10:23:45] I made it load trough jquery. [10:25:51] no clock [10:26:14] anywhere [10:27:36] and I lost the "add stuff" window [10:28:49] CharInsert is dead? [10:29:45] wow, that that clock still works... lemme make some changes [10:31:24] now the CharInsert extension isn't working [10:34:09] Ryulong: try WP:BYPASS [10:34:22] it's not working when the jquery change is on my js [10:35:15] lemme switch my account to your JS [10:35:39] well I just blanked it to see what's going on [10:36:08] oh there it is [10:37:24] but still no clock [10:50:32] Ryulong: you still have that error in the console about "Storage error" load.php:161" [10:50:45] yes [10:50:58] hold on I'm fighting a banned user at the same time [10:51:34] yes that error is still appearing [10:51:41] that explains. [10:51:43] one sec. [10:52:24] do you have local rights [10:52:47] on enwp that is [10:53:44] Ryulong: yes [10:53:56] I shall inquire something in PM [10:59:34] Ryulong: ok, i have blanked your local kept storage for wikipedia, which apparently became corrupt and wasn't cleaning up after the corruption for some strange reason that I do not understand... [10:59:48] the clock is back [11:00:05] cool. then now i'll remove the blank trick and it should hold up. [11:00:22] this IP is persistent [11:02:38] so how could this have become corrupted [11:17:11] ori: is modulestorage still active ? [11:18:33] Ryulong, Hi. [11:18:55] thedj found what was up [11:19:12] Yes. I just finished reading. :-) [11:36:45] hmm [11:37:05] does Twinkle recognize IPv6 or is this reporting script not part of Twinkle [11:42:15] Ryulong, I wanted to chat to a TW user for a long time. Would you mind a PM please? [11:42:27] I don't know what I use [11:42:36] it's a mishmash of 5 year old tools and what is apparently twinkle [11:43:16] How long have you been using TW then, or how much? [11:43:31] whenever my old tools went to shit [11:44:04] Ah ha. And what function of TW do you need which is not done by the wiki software itself? [11:44:43] mostly rollback [11:44:57] because they don't trust me with software rollback anymore [11:56:26] Ryulong: I see. [11:56:32] Svetlana: TW does everything that mediawiki doesn't and that is content maintenance. [11:57:01] thedjNotWMF, I see. Would you like to take notes somewhere and file bugs? It would be infinitely nice to have it in mediawiki. [11:57:29] Svetlana: you could spend days on that task alone :) [11:57:49] thedjNotWMF, it would, I think, be extremely benefitical in long term. [11:57:53] I commend you. [12:01:20] Svetlana: the problem is that no matter what you spec out, MW does not have the foundations to support it really. [12:01:23] someone should fix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ARV to be IPv6 compatible [12:01:38] Ryulong: ARV is VERY old... [12:02:33] i fixed it twice in the past 5 years, but it's so outdated, that i think it's not really worth it anymore. [12:02:33] what is "it"? If we don't file bugs, could we please write a few notes about these missing things? [12:04:11] Svetlana: most of these bugs exist [12:04:37] common ui toolkit, place to put tools (without overloading people), method define workflows [12:04:53] well it's quicker than the twinkle [12:05:16] Ryulong: possibly, but twinkle has community backing. [12:05:41] thedjNotWMF: they use OOjs UI toolkit I think. [12:05:43] ARV apparently not so much since 2007 :( [12:06:07] Svetlana: yeah, so stuff like that is being built (VE needs it to) but it's a LONG way to build something like that in a sustainable way [12:06:08] thedjNotWMF: You mean like 'we could put all of twinkle into sidebar, but that would be messy'? [12:06:19] exactly [12:06:20] about the "place to put tools (without overloading people)" [12:06:43] Would that not be solved by having it opt-in? [12:06:51] Those who need it would enable it. [12:06:59] they can already do so right ? [12:06:59] aren't most in the gadgets [12:07:32] thedjNotWMF, I mean, you could put it on server (not a program you have to install) and opt-in. Then you could shove these things in sidebar /anyway/. [12:07:34] that's why we have gadgets, to give people choice to go crazy specific in a way that no one has to maintain it :?) [12:07:48] Svetlana: but that's not sustainable. [12:07:54] I see. [12:08:13] I suppose better skins could make re-design of layout a feasible task. [12:08:19] Svetlana: for this to be sustainable, it is important that the community has the power to develop the workflows. [12:09:02] and maintain them [12:09:09] thedjNotWMF, would you like to add to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_%28Product%29/Process_ideas#Write_.28some_of.29_software_in_wiki_markup or create a separate section ? [12:09:19] "the community has the power to develop the workflows" is a very good idea. [12:09:30] i;ll add it later [12:09:38] Ok, thanks. [12:09:44] I hope you add a few of your ideas. [12:09:49] They sound useful. [12:09:59] i have a whole slew of stuff that's still somewhere in my head (and actually in most devs), but that's not really put on paper anywhere. [12:10:16] That brainstorming page is good for taking notes of thoughts, one by one. [12:10:44] You can also write small essays in mainspace at Meta at any time. They help to think them through. [12:14:09] Svetlana: that section is interesting btw. to a degree it's what devs want users to have [12:14:27] just not in wikicode [12:14:45] but in json for instance [13:27:02] where is "#property parser function" deployed? [13:27:10] i think i don't see it on ru.wn atm [13:45:03] Svetlana: #propery is not deployed on Wikinews yet [13:58:48] Tpt: thanks, #wikidata folks said I should wait another month :-) [14:50:10] Hi, sorry for this basic question: is the RT password the same as... Wikimedia SUL? wikitech.wikimedia.org? just its own? [14:55:57] qgil: sorry for not answering earlier; it's its own [14:56:21] ok Nemo_bis [14:56:34] qgil: I don't know all details directly, because I don't have a "true" account on RT [14:56:44] then I guess it's not normal that using "Forgot your password" results in an email without any password [14:56:56] but I know that just emailing RT creates you an account, then to do stuff, login etc. you need some more permissions [14:56:57] I *believe* I have one... [14:57:19] It might be normal :) do you remember ever reading something in the RT web interface? [14:57:41] I *think* I did read RT in the web interface, although it was some time ago [14:57:48] anyway [14:57:52] ok [14:58:12] your best bet is probably emailing ops-requests@rt.wm.o and ask a password [14:58:36] this just reinforces this edit: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Volunteer_NDA&diff=124635&oldid=117774 [14:58:53] I just need to be involved in the RT tickets where I'm CCed :) [15:03:55] cc works, yes :) [15:13:21] qgil: so "Send New Password" for RT didn't work for you? No link or such in the email. (Funny enough, I get a "Only external users can reset their passwords this way" when I try) [15:15:30] might want to extend https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/RT_for_reporting_issues [15:15:45] which isn't linked from https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/RT . Meh. [15:16:20] It's in the category! [22:02:55] Is there a place to report broken thumbnails / are they logged somewhere? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Spinoso-panorama_2.jpg/1920px-Spinoso-panorama_2.jpg?purge fails with the message 'There have been too many recent failed attempts (4 or more) to render this thumbnail. Please try again later.' [22:03:33] (or are there really situations where a thumbnail can /temporarily/ not be created?) [22:04:09] valhallasw`cloud: likely should be on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41371 or one of the linked bugs there [22:43:25] valhallasw`cloud: they are logged but typically nobody looks at that log [22:43:54] Error creating thumbnail: Error code: 137 [22:48:47] valhallasw`cloud: dunno what it was, but I fixed it [22:48:59] a null convert often does wonders [22:50:04] you can always use https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Broken_file which I created recently (ugh, 4 years!) [23:34:33] There's a bug somewhere about the password reset being broken on RT. [23:34:50] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30412