[00:08:33] I'm not sure we still have m. in URLs. [00:08:39] I'm not sure why we still have m. in URLs. [00:21:07] Carmela: Caching most likely [00:21:23] looks better than /wiki/Foo?whatever=mobile [00:21:31] Need some way of differentiating [00:32:49] Varnish can probably do it. [00:33:05] Probably [00:33:49] bblack: Can varnish vary the cache served on a device basis? So we don't technically need a seperate mobile subdomain? [00:34:19] I'm pretty sure we already do this on mobile devices. [00:34:29] Though it may be in PHP rather than in Varnish. [00:34:56] If you hit en.wikipedia.org on a mobile device and you don't have the desktop cookie, you redirect. [01:12:36] Reedy: yeah there's no fundamental reason for needing split mobile/text caches AFAIK. Mostly the reason nobody's pushing to merge them right now is that Zero causes a lot of cache fragmentation in mobile, and mobile currently carries far less traffic. [01:12:42] So it's an optimization. [01:13:36] Aha [01:13:45] Yuri is actively working on getting is Zero defrag stuff deployed and working for all carriers though, and over time mobile traffic percentage will probably continue to grow. So in the long term there will come a point where it will make sense to merge the cache pools again. [01:14:00] I guess relatively at least it's low on the technical debt list [01:14:08] yeah [01:14:33] relatedly, we have a fair amount of debt-work to do to clean up and unify the VCL code for our various caches. Some of that will overlap with and/or help the eventual merger of text/mobile as well. [01:14:43] Though, mobile also used to like to purge their whole cache [01:14:46] And do it regularly [01:14:55] they haven't in a while afaik, and shouldn't need to :) [01:15:07] hence "used to" :) [04:24:11] [[Tech]]; Rapidim; /* Image upload equivalent command to SSH? */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9545279&oldid=9528516&rcid=5499910 [04:38:20] [[Tech]]; Rapidim; /* Image upload equivalent command to SSH? */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9545346&oldid=9545279&rcid=5499914 [06:07:56] i get a lot of this (individual wikis) when i try replacing a file cross-wiki after renaming them at commons, an example: http://pastebin.com/uAtrvxQC [06:08:53] it as if wikimedia now hates users on http [19:26:01] hi - javascript isn't working now on commons, console says "mw is not defined" and "JSconfig is not defined" [19:34:43] darkweasel: sounds like a problem with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:JSconfig.js , then. you should probably report this at commons' village pump (or whatever their place to report issues is called) [19:35:15] hm. that page hasn't been changed since 2011, and the problem has been there only for a few hours [19:35:37] if not minutes [19:35:44] then maybe some script that requires that one [19:35:53] i can assure you there are no code deployments on sundays :) [19:36:24] ok, if you're sure it isn't the developers' fault, then i'm leaving you alone :) thanks [19:36:25] bye