[00:24:54] <Carmela>	 I wonder how long until Erik's wiki account is hacked.
[00:28:36] <Eloquence>	 "I didn't do it! MZ stoled my password!"
[00:29:04] <Carmela>	 Eloquence: If you wanna declare war with the German Wikipedia, just expect acts of war. :-)
[00:29:45] <Carmela>	 You're coercing employees to damage both the wiki model and community–Wikimedia Foundation relations.
[00:31:23] <Eloquence>	 sorry that's your takeaway, it's certainly not the intent. however, we'll need to get clarity on policy and process, and admin-level reverts of site features aren't something that is long term sustainable.
[00:31:32] <Eloquence>	 but we can talk about that some other time. gnight for now.
[00:32:26] <Carmela>	 Night.
[05:22:59] <comets>	 csteipp_afk, can u look into this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69319
[05:52:04] <tuxer9877>	 help required..!
[06:01:30] <jeremyb>	 you haven't said much...
[06:03:15] <tuxer9877>	 please provide a raise of cap for account creation and editing, we are doing  a wikipedia session
[06:07:27] <tuxer9877>	 please provide a raise of cap for account creation and editing, we are doing a wikipedia workshop with 1000 students on Telugu wikipedia.... anyone to help?
[06:10:02] <jeremyb>	 i think you don't understand how this works
[06:10:34] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, imagine for a second that i wanted to fulfill your request and had the authority/access to do so on my own
[06:10:55] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, have you provided sufficient detail for me to be able to fill the request?
[06:11:01] <jeremyb>	 no, certainly not
[06:11:28] <jeremyb>	 we would need IP address, date/time of start/end, and other details (e.g. event page link?)
[06:11:53] <tuxer9877>	 jeremyb: I do understand that I need to raise a bug
[06:12:10] <tuxer9877>	 But this event was planned only a 3 days back
[06:12:14] <jeremyb>	 the very first thing you need to do is tell me the start time
[06:12:17] <tuxer9877>	 and is for a 3 day duration
[06:12:21] <jeremyb>	 and the IP address
[06:12:36] <tuxer9877>	 the ip address is 210.212.222.211
[06:12:53] <jeremyb>	 time?
[06:13:19] <tuxer9877>	 we have already started workshop with 40 students today, and this edit conflict and user account creation cap is annoying. Only 6 people could create accounts
[06:13:50] <jeremyb>	 well you should definitely try to get them to create before the start of the event (i.e. from home)
[06:13:55] <tuxer9877>	 as a solution, we have asked students to create 6 each in te.wikipedia.org, ta.wikipedia.org, kn.wikipedia.org
[06:13:56] <jeremyb>	 or do they not have internet at home?
[06:14:07] <tuxer9877>	 no internet at homes
[06:14:16] <jeremyb>	 so, that IP you gave is a school
[06:14:22] <tuxer9877>	 yes
[06:14:23] <jeremyb>	 are you sure all computers use the same IP?
[06:14:27] <tuxer9877>	 yes
[06:14:34] <jeremyb>	 not one at one computer and a different one at another
[06:14:36] <jeremyb>	 ok
[06:14:45] <tuxer9877>	 and  cap of 100 maybe enough
[06:14:49] <tuxer9877>	 till 14th
[06:14:53] <tuxer9877>	 of august
[06:15:15] <jeremyb>	 100 per day?
[06:15:19] <jeremyb>	 before you said 1000?
[06:15:32] <jeremyb>	 start/end times?
[06:15:42] <jeremyb>	 time of day?
[06:15:48] <tuxer9877>	 oops sorry, typo
[06:16:07] <jeremyb>	 so, now it's 11:45am?
[06:16:21] <tuxer9877>	 start : any time from now. end : 14 August 17:30 IST (+0530)
[06:16:28] <tuxer9877>	 yes
[06:16:44] <jeremyb>	 so, when do you start/end today?
[06:17:02] <tuxer9877>	 today, we already started and continue till 1730 in the evening
[06:17:51] <jeremyb>	 ok. so maybe we can help you for tomorrow. go file a bug. :) (but at least now i have details to fill in in case bug is incomplete)
[06:19:08] <jeremyb>	 and you say it's a typo but you don't say which is correct. 100 or 1000?
[06:19:22] <tuxer9877>	 1000
[06:19:24] * jeremyb summons abishekh
[06:19:28] <jeremyb>	 or is he there?
[06:21:49] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, in any case, I can't imagine you have 1000 people showing up on only 3 days notice (or at least not relevant people). so someone knew about this ahead of time
[06:22:04] <jeremyb>	 you *MUST* make telling us further in advance a priority
[06:24:25] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, where's my bug?
[06:27:17] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, ping
[06:27:18] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, ping
[06:27:19] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, ping
[06:27:24] <tuxer9877>	 i dont know how to file  bug....
[06:27:32] <tuxer9877>	 could you help me....
[06:27:39] <jeremyb>	 ok, then you need to say that...
[06:27:50] <jeremyb>	 what about the tell us in advance part?
[06:28:16] <jeremyb>	 do you have a bugzilla account yet?
[06:28:27] <tuxer9877>	 no, i dont have one...
[06:28:32] <jeremyb>	 so, make one
[06:28:38] <tuxer9877>	 yup....
[06:28:40] <jeremyb>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[06:29:06] <jeremyb>	 where's the event page for this event?
[06:29:31] <tuxer9877>	 but on telugu wikipedia....
[06:30:29] <jeremyb>	 ok, can you give it to me?
[06:31:09] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, i want to be closing my laptop in 30 secs. i want your bugzilla account email address and the project page link by then...
[06:31:58] <jeremyb>	 (and your tewiki username too)
[06:33:41] <jeremyb>	 also, you said earlier 3 day duration. but it sounds like really 4 days (including today). right?
[06:33:49] <jeremyb>	 how many people in 1 day?
[06:34:00] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, did you make your account yet?
[06:34:43] <jeremyb>	 ok, i give up
[06:34:44] <jeremyb>	 bye
[06:35:38] <tuxer9877>	 https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%AA%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%A1%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%AF%E0%B0%BE:%E0%B0%B6%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%B7%E0%B0%A3_%E0%B0%B6%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%AC%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%82/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%9C%E0%B0%AF%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A1/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%9C%E0%B0%AF%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A1_7
[06:35:56] <tuxer9877>	 వాడుకరి:Praveen Illa
[06:36:07] <tuxer9877>	 https://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A1%E0%B1%81%E0%B0%95%E0%B0%B0%E0%B0%BF:Praveen_Illa
[06:37:11] <tuxer9877>	 mail2ipn@gmail.com 
[06:37:52] <tuxer9877>	 jeremyb: What should be the bug parameters?
[06:38:47] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, max # people per day?
[06:41:35] <tuxer9877>	 1000
[06:42:04] <jeremyb>	 so that's not 1000 combined for all days then
[06:43:32] <tuxer9877>	 yes
[06:43:57] <tuxer9877>	 its around  3000
[06:44:01] <tuxer9877>	 3000+
[06:46:04] <tuxer9877>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69385
[06:46:18] <jeremyb>	 maybe you can get abhishek to comment on the bug?
[06:56:13] <tuxer9877>	 jeremyb: thank you for comments on bug
[06:56:27] <tuxer9877>	 when can we expect it to be implemented?\
[06:57:17] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, well people are still traveling after Wikimania
[06:58:09] <jeremyb>	 tuxer9877, need to find someone to deploy it and first (IMO) need to find someone to confirm that it is a real event of that size
[06:58:13] <tuxer9877>	 next time, if we want ip cap raise, should we again file bug?
[06:58:23] <jeremyb>	 yes. more than 7 days in advance
[06:58:47] <jeremyb>	 and you should include as many details as possible. don't wait for me to ask
[06:58:55] <tuxer9877>	 ok
[06:59:57] <jeremyb>	 anyway, did you understand comment 3<https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69385#c3>?
[07:00:18] <jeremyb>	 i only single out Abhishek because I've actually met him
[07:00:35] <jeremyb>	 what is Jyothis doing up at this hour? :)
[07:00:50] <jeremyb>	 good night
[09:07:05] <Qcoder00>	 Hi
[09:07:25] <Qcoder00>	 In a recent update it was announced that it would soon be possible to rename SUL accounts
[09:07:38] <Qcoder00>	 Will it soon be possible to merge accounts?
[09:08:32] <odder>	 You mean accounts that have edits?
[09:08:37] <Qcoder00>	 Or at the very least have some means of ensuring 'Alternate Accounts' get "group notifcations"  about messages on the other accounts talk page?
[09:09:01] <odder>	 You can do that by adding the other user talk pages to your watchlist :)
[09:09:07] <Qcoder00>	 True
[09:09:57] <Qcoder00>	 But with Flow it would be nice to have it so that the orange bar pops up as well, when there are messages on a 'formally grouped' account
[09:11:19] <odder>	 I've never heard about such a feature; you might want to submit a new feature ("enhancement") request on Bugzilla
[09:11:28] <FlorianSW>	 Qcoder00 maybe you mean this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47918
[09:52:22] <Qcoder00>	 partly
[09:52:39] <Qcoder00>	 But what i was suggesting went further
[09:53:55] <Qcoder00>	 In that you have formal *(as in a  table in the db) for account groups... 
[09:54:42] <Qcoder00>	 And when one account has new messages "you get an orange bar on the "Primary account" as well..)
[09:54:58] <Qcoder00>	 Goruping accounts would require an admin...
[09:55:11] <Qcoder00>	 *Grouping accounts would require an admin
[09:55:30] <Qcoder00>	 But it would mean that you could group a bot with it's operator...
[09:56:23] <Qcoder00>	 I.E When accessing the primary account and checking for new messages , it checks against the table of grouped accounts as well.
[09:57:01] <Qcoder00>	 As this is a variant on watchlist checking (already done) I don't see that this would be hard to do... (for single wikis at least)
[09:57:19] <Qcoder00>	 I dont think it could be done fully globally though
[09:58:30] <Qcoder00>	 Grouping accounts, would also (under admin/crat/steward tools) alllows for sockpuppet accounts to be grouped, and locks applied to the primary account would propogate to the grouped accounts..
[09:58:37] <Qcoder00>	 (One out, all otu approach)
[16:16:17] <entropius>	 Hey there.
[16:18:29] <entropius>	 Anybody here responsible for wikimedia infrastructure? I think I found a missconfigured server, enabling me to gain root access on some probably unimportant server in your network.
[16:20:20] <entropius>	 mark: Sorry to bother but I probably won't stick arround all that long. Can you point me the right direction?
[16:20:32] <odder>	 => #wikimedia-operations
[16:20:36] <entropius>	 Thanks.
[16:44:41] <tonythomas>	 hey. Can someone tell me whats the status of CentralAuth in wmf wikis ?
[16:45:06] <tonythomas>	 is CentralAuth installed ?
[16:45:15] <odder>	 Yes.
[16:47:44] <tonythomas>	 odder: great. so, I was in the middle of my VERP project, and found that I would need to have multi wiki support for email addresses 
[16:48:35] <tonythomas>	 currently we use a VERP pattern like $wikiId. '-'. base_convert( $uid, 10, 36). '-'. base_convert( $timeNow, 10, 36);
[16:49:44] <tonythomas>	 the $wikiId is the database name -- so that the bounce handling API know which database to lookup exactly for the failed uer 
[16:50:05] <tonythomas>	 if CentralAuth is installed, I think we can change that one right ?
[18:43:40] <Nemo_bis>	 andre__: I'm not sure how to avoid losing track of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:How_to_report_a_bug#User_stories ; I feel it's rather crucial to avoid misunderstandings in several components, but I'm not sure who to ask
[18:47:13] <andre__>	 Nemo_bis, I don't have much experience with user stories; my naive approach was https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki&format=guided
[18:47:25] <andre__>	 which has "Intention" and "Expectations" for example
[18:47:46] <Nemo_bis>	 andre__: yes, that was wonderful :)
[18:48:11] <Nemo_bis>	 But sometimes a dev or PM replies a user "please write a user story" and I expect reporters fall from their chair
[18:48:27] <andre__>	 yeah. plus no idea what "write a user story" means.
[18:48:41] <Nemo_bis>	 I learnt from practice to do them (hopefully) reasonably well, but that doesn't scale
[18:48:45] <Nemo_bis>	 That's the problem :D
[18:48:55] <andre__>	 so if there's one sentence in "how to report a bug" which links to some wikipage explaining what a user story is, that sounds fine
[18:49:00] <Nemo_bis>	 Hopefully Arthur can help
[18:49:22] <Nemo_bis>	 Yeah, there is certainly a plethora of online resources but I'm not qualified to pick ONE