[06:57:26] Wikipedia appears to be down. [06:58:16] Or is my ISP doing funny stuff again? [07:24:12] Probably ISP; unless some internet tunnel was just bombed as well [07:45:32] Is anyone else able to use Special:Import on vagrant? [07:45:54] I keep getting the meaningless error "Import failed: Expected tag, got " with both web import and XML upload [07:46:48] tto: vagrant is using hhvm, and special:import is broken under hhvm right now (there's a bug somewhere) [07:47:07] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66023 [07:47:11] ah, thanks, so I guess I need to switch to zend! [07:47:25] I tell you what, MW's import stack needs to be totally rewritten [07:47:32] it's extremely difficult to debug! [07:47:47] if anyone has a few months of free time... [08:36:35] legoktm: shouldn't that HHVM bug be higher importance than Unprioritized/Normal? [08:37:20] probably [16:41:00] hi all. I'm trying to find out records of the discussion that led to the removal of FlaggedRevs from mewdiawiki.org [16:42:12] I've searched the mailing lists, the IRC logs, bugzilla and mw.org, but so far I could only find the entries in the server admin log: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_Admin_Log#May_22 [16:42:50] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/134935/ [16:43:23] Krenair: thanks :) [16:45:47] waldir, what you were expecting a discussion? [16:45:57] lol [16:46:19] at least a mailing list post, even if unanswered... [16:47:27] FR was enabled without any discussion, and it was disabled without any discussion. That's only right. [16:49:51] yeah, still at least an announcement would have been nice, for recording purposes. I find it scary the amount of institutional memory in the mediawiki universe is kept mostly in the heads of a bunch of people... [16:52:15] in fact the page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs/WMF_Wikis even lists "links to the place to notify that community of upcoming changes", i.e it's assumed that the editing community should get some sort of heads up regarding FR changes (and any extension changes for that matter). [16:52:45] That's, indeed, true even at this time. [16:54:19] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-May/076651.html [16:55:13] Nemo_bis: see, you're one of those in the mw community with an alarmingly high bus factor ;) [16:55:22] I'll add that to the page too :) [16:56:07] No, you won't [16:56:17] I've deprecated that page, it's wrong. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Rejected [16:56:45] yeah, just realized it. was confused for a moment. [16:59:41] Frustration with FlaggedRevs (whether warranted or not) had been growing for a while, I think. See for instance https://www.mediawiki.org/?oldid=914220#Careful_with_FlaggedRevs [17:04:55] The most recent Wikipedia to get FlaggedRevs was fi.wiki, would be nice to have some reflection about it from them [17:04:59] I certainly agree it's warranted. a more intuitive interface would make it quite valuable though, but that's a pipe dream for now. Mostly, I wish it could be used instead of outright protection. Like pull requests, but for content :) [17:05:14] uk.wiki (2011 too) is certainly making a bad use of it https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ValidationStatistics?uselang=en [17:05:39] Yes, but we only found something like 2 pages where to use it that way on mediawiki.org :) [17:06:33] sure. at any rate, I didn't bring this up out of particular attachment for FR, but because of the lack of (easy to find) documentation of its removal [17:07:12] It was "documented" at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Editor [17:07:32] Which AFAIK has always been the only local project page on the matter [17:08:11] As for useful things, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42360 [17:18:05] well, I updated the see also links at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs#See_also, added a link to the server admin log on the meta page, and left comments with the relevant links on the gerrit change -- that should be enough for building the web for now :) [22:47:24] [[Tech]]; 90.199.7.93; /* FEGI */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9267063&oldid=9256816&rcid=5444712 [23:28:53] [[Tech]]; Jasper Deng; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/90.199.7.93|90.199.7.93]] ([[User talk:90.199.7.93|talk]]) to last version by Verdy p; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9267276&oldid=9267063&rcid=5444742