[07:36:33] Any ops folks around at this hour? [07:36:55] TimStarling might be [07:37:06] If not, I'll just send an email to Wikitech-l [07:42:57] Alright, I guess not, I'll email Wikitech-l :) [10:35:12] Uh, real users on beta.wmflabs.org! http://es.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Especial:Registro/newusers [12:17:35] hi [12:17:49] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67488 [12:18:18] this is critical, broken since 13-07, and needs a urgent fix [12:19:24] Reedy: is there a way by which, in WikimediaMessages, I can access the domain/project of the current wiki, like "wikipedia" or "wiktionary"? [12:20:31] yannf: why are you asking here? the bug is in "pywikibot" product, are you implying it's a wikimedia bug? [12:20:44] yes [12:21:07] the issue is that the version on labs is broken [12:21:16] you should say so on the bug report and move it to the appropriate product then [12:21:18] should be reverted to a working revision at least [12:21:32] ok [12:24:28] Reedy: I mean, other than doing regex substitution on wikiid [12:32:20] Nemo_bis, done https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68215 [12:47:46] Nemo_bis: I guess through $wgConf [12:48:36] Ah, if I can use that it's joy :) [12:48:41] Thanks, I'll submit a patch [17:16:41] ^d or manybubbles are y'all aware that Search is throwing a fatal on beta labs right now? [17:16:54] https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7942767cf378b5ce698f [17:18:27] <^d> Patch up, will be fixed in a minute. [17:19:57] ^d thanks, I bugzilla'd it for the record [18:51:42] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68215 [18:53:09] this is critical, broken since 13-07, and needs a urgent fix [18:55:29] yannf: have you complained at #wikimedia-labs ? [18:57:06] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/145736/1/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php [18:57:17] What kind of cookie is this? How long do we usually keep cookies? [18:59:07] sounds like the cookie to tell "user has already donated, don't show them banner again"? [18:59:42] i doubt there is a "usually" for all of them [18:59:53] Yes, looks like it after a quick glance at the code. [19:00:02] Are there any privacy reasons associated with it? [19:00:09] s/reasons/issues [19:01:21] no clue, i guess it means we can tell who already donated.. would have to ask fundraising/legal [19:02:04] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/144853 [19:03:02] Yep, saw that. Just asking cause '10 months' and 'cookie' in one light cause alarm in my head to go off. [19:03:10] s/light/line* [19:04:19] sounds like eiter that or more people complaining about the banners [19:04:51] 10 months.. maybe from when fundraising was once a year (but nowadays it's all the time?( [19:05:08] Yes, they limited it from a year to 10 months. [19:09:27] * odder pats James_F on the back, smiling sadly. [19:54:07] odder: ? [20:11:48] MatmaRex, done now, thanks [20:11:59] James_F: slugs. [20:12:12] odder: Whyso sad? [20:12:30] James_F: Because it's a non-issue not worth the fuss... [20:13:19] True. [21:57:33] @seen anomie [21:57:33] odder: Last time I saw anomie they were changing the nickname to anomie, but anomie is no longer in channel #mediawiki at 7/16/2014 8:49:56 PM (2d1h7m37s ago) [21:58:18] legoktm: Did anything happen to make you comment on the API RfC on MW.org? [21:59:21] Ignore that, it seems I can't read. I now see Brad re-wrote that RfC. [22:02:19] On an unrelated note, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/Languages :-( [22:02:56] Looks like something got a bit broken. [22:06:35] odder: anomie is on vacation [22:08:08] Pity, he wanted us/me to mention his RfC in Tech News this week [22:21:44] James_F: The VE on mobile bit will work for all users? [22:21:50] by default? [22:22:02] odder: Yes, you can switch between them trivially. [22:23:18] any announcements yet? [22:23:46] Search mobile-l, wikitech-ambassadors, wikitech-l, and Tech News is the only place I see this information [22:23:48] Annoucements? What do you think Tech News is? [22:23:51] Searched* [22:24:30] James_F: Doesn't matter what I think. We generally link stuff included in Tech News to original sources. [22:25:08] odder: This is the original source. I could ask Maryana if she's planning a post before TN goes out, but I think that's the original post. [22:25:37] odder: for VE on tablet? there was an announce on mobile [22:26:19] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-July/date.html ? [22:26:52] James_F: Nah, that's fine. [22:28:11] James_F: So just to make sure I get this right: I'll have the option to choose VE, or will it be the default option and I'll be able to switch to source editing? [22:28:38] odder: The former. [22:29:32] odder: original date, it was pushed back to the date on the deploy calendar http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-July/007549.html [22:30:41] Oh, right, I remember this post now. [22:31:27] the one that 'announced' the delay was only to the internal ops list, not sure why (I thought it was public). I just replied to the person who sent it to remind them to announce it a bit more widely [22:31:56] where the "it" in "I thought it was public" == thought it was on a public list, not ops [22:32:48] You can test it out now by opting into the beta version of the mobile site (in Settings in the left navigation menu). [22:32:56] I understand this probably varies in RTL... [22:36:29] talking to the wrong person (or nobody) :) [22:38:48] James_F: Another noob question; what's the difference between items and nodes? [22:42:44] odder: There isn't any (node is just the real term rather than a term I made up to make it clearer) – I'm happy to standardise on "items" if you think it's clear enough. [22:43:35] Oh. I just noticed the difference -- you referred to images as items in the past. [22:43:45] I'm okay with items, probably easier to translate. [22:45:20] James_F: You also added "Now, the "safe" cancel/undo control will always be in the top left, and any progressive insert/apply control will be in the top right." [22:45:28] This is probably reversed in RTL? [22:47:51] odder: Yes, that goes without saying. We always support RTL correctly. [22:48:09] odder: But I didn't want to say "left (or right)" and "right (or left)" as it makes it confusing. [23:22:15] quiddity: you really think a namespace for Flow is notable enough? [23:23:32] odder, possibly not? I'll leave up to you. I just don't want to get in trouble for not broadcasting changes. [23:24:04] quiddity: I skimmed over this patch, and last time I checked Flow was enabled on a handful of pages? [23:24:14] Haven't been keeping up to date with it, I have to admit. [23:24:19] Yup, about 18 pages. [23:24:25] mostly on mw.org [23:26:35] "allows users to watch individual Flow topic discussions"; so how does this work, exactly? [23:26:50] Oh, WAIT. I can watch just one discussion and not a whole talk page? [23:27:02] Exactly. [23:27:09] Cool! [23:27:44] quiddity: That's really neat. I'll leave it be and reword the bit in the morning (UTC). Gotta get some sleep now :) [23:27:57] :) Very first step is live at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Sandbox if you'd like to test. [23:28:01] fuzzy dreams. [23:28:49] quiddity: Can I has the page added to my Watchlist through AJAX and not through a confirmation page? [23:29:24] Because I'm directed to https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Ryq9r1bezewy5ppp&action=watch right now [23:30:58] Not sure. I know they've working on something to do with the watchlist-star duplication on Topic pages, right now. But presumably API and the usual AJAX methods will (or should) work. [23:31:38] Should I file a bug, then? [23:32:09] Sure, bugs appreciated. :) [23:32:47] OK, will do, again in the morning. Thanks for adding this, and enjoy your evening [23:32:47] (possibly it's a browser quirk. especially if you're using IE. It seems to work fine for me in firefox) [23:32:56] o/