[06:56:08] <Nemo_bis>	 :o https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=47918&hide_resolved=1
[10:32:01] <Nemo_bis>	 Oh, only now I read. Flickr API SSL-only
[16:32:18] <Ainali>	 I had an idea but I am not sure if it is feasible. Now there is Special:RandomInCategory. Would it be very hard to do a Special:RandomNotInCategory?
[16:33:02] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[16:34:21] <Ainali>	 Hard to program or that it would take a lot of resources to run?
[16:35:07] <Reedy>	 easy
[16:35:20] <Reedy>	 $query['conds']['cl_to'] = $this->category;
[16:35:21] <Reedy>	 to
[16:36:36] <Reedy>	 $query['conds'][] = array( 'cl_to != ' . $db->addQuotes( $this->category ) );
[16:37:51] <Ainali>	 The community on Swedish Wikipedia would really like to have something like that, since right now when you do Special:Random you almost always end up with an insect
[16:38:38] <MatmaRex>	 haha
[16:38:45] <Ainali>	 It is also one of the most common questions from readers, that the randomness ought to be fixed :)
[16:39:32] <Reedy>	 It should be more random now
[16:39:55] <Reedy>	 As of the last few weeks
[16:40:07] <Ainali>	 So it would be nice to let the template for bot created articles get a hiddencat that could be excluded from it.
[16:40:08] <Reedy>	 RandomInCategory has been around a while ;)
[16:40:13] <Nemo_bis>	 The randomness is fine, the article set is broken :)
[16:40:32] <Ainali>	 Nemo_bis: Exactly :)
[16:41:09] <Nemo_bis>	 At least on it.wiki, people tend to blame the French municipalities rather than Special:Random.
[16:41:35] <Nemo_bis>	 But I understand other wikis may think it's just Special:Random's fault.
[16:42:11] <^d>	 I dunno if we handle randomincat.
[16:42:19] <Ainali>	 Well, the more informed people are not complaining on Special:Random per se, but wish there were a way to not use the whole article set 
[16:42:21] <^d>	 We could, in theory.
[16:43:05] <Nemo_bis>	 Ainali: move those articles to another namespace? :p
[16:43:45] <Ainali>	 Right now there is a page on Svwp using randomincat in multiple ways, but it does not really replace the original function https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Slumpartiklar
[16:44:44] <Nemo_bis>	 If you file a bug asking Special:RandomNotInCategory without mentioning your use case (to avoid ideological discussion over what Special:Random should do) you have good chances, per above ;)
[16:44:47] <Ainali>	 Nemo_bis: That is one solution, yes. 
[16:45:02] <Ainali>	 Haha
[16:45:27] <Ainali>	 I might just do that :)
[22:09:09] <sumanah>	 hey, I have a question about IRC ops and how I could temporarily become a channel op in a particular IRC channel. Whom do I ask?
[22:09:52] <Reedy>	 Which channel?
[22:09:56] <sumanah>	 #wikimedia-office
[22:09:58] <Reedy>	 Does it have current/active ops?
[22:10:04] <sumanah>	 just ChanServ
[22:10:19] <Reedy>	 [23:10:07] [ChanServ] Founder    : Philippe, Cbrown1023, Xirzon, wmfgc
[22:10:59] <Reedy>	 Might be easiest to ask Eloquence nicely
[22:11:04] <sumanah>	 ah ok
[22:20:19] <marktraceur>	 I think I can add you sumanah
[22:20:25] <sumanah>	 done
[22:20:42] <marktraceur>	 nvm.
[22:20:48] <sumanah>	 Thanks marktraceur 
[22:20:48] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: Watch the +m there :)
[22:20:52] <sumanah>	 I shall!
[23:19:28] <sumanah>	 10 min till the end of #wikimedia-office discussion of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Redo_skin_framework