[00:16:14] can anyone please clarify the commentary around the upgrade of jquery 1.8.x to 1.11.x with regard to our internal version. It isn't clear to me whether it s from 1.24wmf7 or later or earlier [00:16:29] it's [02:27:36] I think this is what James answered earlier. [02:27:39] In #mediawiki. [02:27:53] Not sure, though. [06:31:46] sDrewth: [06:31:47] > While I don't want to set another deadline, I think it makes sense to ship the [06:31:49] > jQuery Migrate plugin for one release (with MediaWiki 1.24), and then remove it [06:31:50] > in MediaWiki 1.25. This will give all wikis' communities and extension authors [06:31:52] > a few more months until the MediaWiki 1.24 branch point (in Autumn 2014) before [06:31:53] > they will need to make adjustments to work with MediaWiki master. [06:31:55] HTH? [07:06:04] thx Keegan, but that is the external releases, not the internal [07:06:19] ~~but~~ though [07:07:27] fwiw I have learnt that jQuery 1.11 with jMigrate went live in wmf6 and will be withdrawn in wmf8 (wmf7 went live this week) [07:07:46] Sure. From what my minor league understanding can tell, it's going back through 1.24 [07:08:35] yes, so it can be turned on if necessary [07:08:52] * Keegan is interested to learn the actual answer as well :) [07:09:28] sister wikis gadget makers often don't find replacement developers [07:10:06] Indeed [07:13:26] hello. may I ask about [[Extension:WikiForum]] here? [07:14:19] on a mediawiki, someone had managed to create a forum topic with curly braces in its name, and then the forum page showed an invalid link to that topic [07:14:35] is this a bug? is it known? [07:15:37] b_jonas: not many here will use the extension, so it may be a better questions for the talk page of the extension [07:15:48] or directly ping the developer [07:17:10] using curly brackets in various places has weird results [07:17:26] you may look to use { for the link [07:17:40] instead of the { [07:17:45] sDrewth: thanks [07:17:59] it's not me making the link, it's the forum special page that lists topic that made the link [07:18:05] and similarly I think that it is | to close [07:18:56] another strange thing I found is that [[Special:WikiForum]] doesn't seem to appear under [[Special:SpecialPages]] [07:19:05] (or perhaps it appears under a name I could't find) [07:19:16] using any of these wiki extended characters in links is always quirky between developers and the things that they may omit [07:19:44] probably isn't (correctly) registered (and I am not the expert) [07:20:00] there is a help page about it at mediawiki.org [07:20:17] thanks [14:35:43] manybubbles: daniel and i are still in an all-day meeting that will take another 45 mins or more. I think we have to skip our call today [14:36:03] Lydia_WMDE: ok with me - send me an email if you have anything [14:36:14] will do :) [15:10:55] twkozlowski: want to reopen your patch (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/104726/ ) for closing wikimania2013 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59157 ? [15:52:17] hi quiddity would you be current on the community reaction or discussion about using VisualEditor? or know who might be? I have a question about a VE experience in the wild [16:21:22] chrismcmahon: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Design/User_testing [16:23:14] Nemo_bis: thanks, but I'm more interested in (basically) gossip. specifically, I wonder if any users are reporting getting logged out unexpectedly while using VisualEditor [16:27:07] chrismcmahon: I said we'd not had any reports from the community. [16:28:24] James_F: thanks, I just saw another slightly different version of the phenomenon and thought I'd ask around in general [16:30:02] chrismcmahon: There have, however, been a number of complaints about people getting randomly logged out in general (including on wikis without VisualEditor). [16:30:33] chrismcmahon: But very vague. :-( [16:31:06] James_F: OK. I'll mention it again in Scrum Of Scrums and add that piece. [16:31:14] Cool. [16:31:15] chrismcmahon, https://i.imgur.com/v6DGjdO.gif [16:31:54] quiddity: hahaha well chosen image! [16:38:18] Yes, logging in/out is pretty random in SUL2 [17:54:30] greg-g: hey... is the deployment training happening now? can I watch it somehow? [18:12:46] DanielK_WMDE: http://youtu.be/Qfm5ZlZFkUs [18:13:12] chrismcmahon: got it, thanks. audio only though [18:18:57] greg-g, to deploy to labs (for an extension) you only need +2 on the wmf-config repo [18:23:27] mwalker: thanks, was confused :) [18:27:12] login wiki is a test wiki? [18:27:28] <^d> It's not a test wiki, no. [18:27:51] ah, i would have been surprised a bit, sounded like if it breaks there is large impact [18:28:56] <^d> mutante: Kind of huge impact :p [18:34:51] greg-g, just a random thought -- if you dont have anyone to talk about trebuchet/git-deploy I can join the hangout and do that if it'll be useful [18:35:43] mwalker: yeah, let's put that near the end if we have time, cool? [18:35:52] k [18:38:29] bd808|deploy: for a second, i was worried we were going to show a security patch that's on cluster... [18:50:48] greg-g, except for special things like centralnotice which have special deployment branches that do not automatically follow the train :p [18:50:59] :P [18:59:29] !technext [18:59:35] !technews [18:59:47] where has this gone again. [19:00:13] why is this channel not sharing the bot database with #mediawiki. [19:15:35] bd808|deploy, is there a way to make the backtraces in logstash to not be a large pile of json? [19:16:16] It's looking at the exception-json feed, so ... nope [20:32:34] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Grfr12345 [20:32:43] What does " 09:02, 7 December 2013 Grfr12345 (talk | contribs | block) noaction " mean? [20:32:54] I'm unfamiliar with the "noaction" entry. [20:35:51] Tiptoety: looks like a missing logformatter [20:36:25] Might be AFT for instance [20:40:07] Hm. [20:41:56] Tiptoety: | 53137917 | articlefeedbackv5 | noaction | 20131207090235 | 19214928 | -1 | ArticleFeedbackv5/E-class_Melbourne_tram/050b312c0a45662828ca90b11c28d444 | | a:3:{s:6:"source";s:7:"article";s:10:"feedbackId";s:32:"050b312c0a45662828ca90b11c28d444";s:6:"pageId";i:33790575;} ... [20:42:02] QED [20:52:35] Do we really send more emails than Wikia? https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/saferemail/#search=wiki®ion=001 [22:36:27] is there an issue with jenkins at the moment? I need to rerun a job, which requires login. but my credentials are not accepted. And yes, they are correct... [22:39:05] mglaser: login on jenkins or gerrit or both? [22:39:20] should be labs credentials [22:39:27] on jenkins. I am logged in to gerrit [22:39:36] try commenting "recheck" on gerrit [22:39:40] it should also trigger it [22:39:53] https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/MediaWiki/job/mediawiki-core-release/ [22:40:22] mutante, how do I do that? [22:40:46] the jenkins job responds to adding a tag [22:40:47] mglaser: as if you were doing code review and make a comment [22:40:52] it's like a magic word [22:42:01] I understand. But here, it's different. I want to build a tarball. This job responds to a tag, in my case 1.23.0. Gerrit is not aware of this [22:43:22] mutante, can you trigger a rebuild? https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/MediaWiki/job/mediawiki-core-release/127/ [22:43:27] mglaser: ahh. ok. i just did that [22:43:35] yes, did a second ago:) [22:43:37] cool [22:43:59] #128 [22:44:03] it fails, though [22:44:42] something about phpunit [22:45:51] I had no problems on monday with the rc [22:47:26] sec [22:47:36] I have a suspicion [22:52:00] It's about semantic versioning. http://semver.org/ I have to talk to hexmode about that [22:53:24] We should drop the 1.x from our version. [22:53:30] 1.24.0 -> 24.0 [22:55:20] Then we could be cool like Fx and Chrome [22:55:34] Yay! [22:55:51] greg-g: Or we could save ourselves typing "1." for no reason all the time. [22:55:56] greg-g: 2.0 ! :) [22:56:17] 2.0 implies 1.0 -> 2.0 breakages because people read far too much into version #s. [22:56:28] mutante, oh no, he say the 2.... word. shhhhhhhhhh [22:56:39] haha [22:56:55] and release names [22:57:17] If we're going to name them I came up with a naming scheme a long time ago. [22:57:30] Psychiatric disorder + animal [22:57:39] lol [22:58:03] :) [22:58:31] Paranoid platypus [22:58:35] OCD Ostrich [22:58:39] mediawiki 2.0 - depressed duckling [22:58:46] You've got the idea! [22:58:54] Oedipal Ostrich [22:59:48] Aboulic aardvark [23:00:54] it's wingswednesday btw, gotta run [23:01:14] Ooh, I want wings. [23:02:37] tacos AND wings [23:02:54] mmmmm. [23:06:10] man... now I'm hungry [23:06:28] I used to live in Bernal Heights, which had a really strong el salvadorian community [23:06:36] pupusas on sunday were *the thing* [23:07:04] bblack: (not sure which channel you saw the nick changing...) [23:11:09] greg-g I'm stuck in the process. I cannot login to jenkins to rerun the job and there's an issue with make-release when the version number does not include a -rc [23:11:48] I have to ask hexmode to fix the make-release and then get someone to rerun the job [23:11:50] :/ [23:13:12] this will delay the release [23:13:32] greg-g just to let you know [23:19:17] hrm [23:20:52] rule no 1: never rely on sth to work today if it worked yesterday... [23:21:06] * mglaser is frustrated [23:22:10] anyway: enjoy your meal [23:24:35] :( [23:27:59] I'll make sure the release goes out (my) tomorrow early morning. [23:28:28] mglaser: thanks, sorry :( [23:28:37] mglaser: you have the mailing list password, right? [23:28:58] greg-g yes. I thought, I'm unstoppable now.... [23:29:07] :) [23:30:18] so here's the plan: I will ask hexmode to make sure jenkins does its job and do the rest in about 8 hours [23:31:07] once I got the tarball, I can publish the release [23:31:12] It's all set. [23:31:42] ok, no sweat [23:31:45] thanks mglaser [23:34:10] thanks greg-g :) [23:39:07] greg-g: I used to have a pupusa place about 1/2 mile from home, but they closed down. if I only I had eaten more pupusas, maybe they'd still be here. [23:39:53] (and I'd be 20% fatter than I already am!)