[00:00:03] <Krenair>	 <huh> [22:57:59] The RCStream example JS (mw:RCStream) does not seem to work for me...
[00:00:04] <huh>	 I got a response in #wikimedia-dev
[00:00:48] <Gloria>	 Nice.
[00:01:03] <huh>	 "huh: .wmflabs won't. rcstream.wikimedia.org will take a few weeks. A physical machine is being procured."
[00:12:07] <BlastHardcheese>	 in case y'all haven't seen it https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0196
[00:56:40] <greg-g>	 mwalker|away: I'm still liking the updated deploy calendar page :)
[06:17:37] <James_F>	 twkozlowski: Trying to wrap parts of the page in <noinclude> is invalid wikitext and Parsoid kills it, it looks like.
[06:18:01] <James_F>	 twkozlowski: Note that guillom was switching over to <onlyinclude> on just the template, which is much cleaner…
[06:18:20] <James_F>	 twkozlowski: But yeah, not great. :-(
[07:49:46] <twkozlowski>	 James_F|Away: Should I file a bug or is it known?
[07:50:01] <twkozlowski>	 James_F|Away: My second ever edit with VE and another problem :-(
[07:50:12] <twkozlowski>	 James_F|Away: Maybe I shouldn't try editing for the third time...
[08:52:14] <MartyH>	 hi folks, I still haven been able to get a clean test run with vagrant run-tests, I'm still failing with ParserTests /usr/local/bin/run-mediawiki-tests: line 4:  3640 Killed                  php tests/phpunit/phpunit.php --testdox "$@"
[08:52:25] <MartyH>	 any ideas on how to get this working?
[09:50:30] <jeroen->	 I'm looking for the Wikimedia mailman admin?
[09:50:48] <jeroen->	 I'm a moderator of a list, but not a member.
[09:51:11] <jeroen->	 Need to get rid of the moderator part.
[10:02:26] <matanya>	 jeroen-: you can mail any other moderator of the list to remove you or remove yourself
[10:02:47] <jeroen->	 matanya:  I think there is no moderator on that list anymore
[10:02:59] <matanya>	 what list ?
[10:04:00] <jeroen->	 Nl-irc-ops-l
[10:04:41] <jeroen->	 I've sent a mail to  mailman@lists.wikimedia.org, but no respons.
[10:05:50] <jeroen->	 matanya:  every mornign I receive a subscription request, but I can't do anything with it, because I've lost the moderator password
[10:06:30] <matanya>	 jeroen-: is the list used at all?
[10:06:56] <jeroen->	 matanya:  When I still was a member the list was used once in a while
[10:07:15] <thedj>	 which reminds me, i still need that same person to figure out why I cant subscribe to design-l
[10:08:04] <matanya>	 the only idea i have is to mail ops-requests@wikimedia.org and request the bit removed
[10:08:19] <matanya>	 thedj: find the moderator of that list
[10:09:38] <matanya>	 thedj: mail bharris@wikimedia.org
[10:10:05] <jeroen->	 matanya:  OK, I forward that mail to that address. Thanks for your help.
[10:10:13] <thedj>	 matanya: will do
[10:11:12] <matanya>	 jeroen-: sorry, mistake ops-requests@rt.wikimedia.org
[10:11:19] <matanya>	 oh, just left
[10:12:26] <thedj>	 matanya: i'll mail him trough his user account
[10:14:25] <thedj>	 matanya: done
[11:51:13] <James_F>	 twkozlowski: Yeah.
[12:06:58] <twkozlowski>	 James_F: Yeah as I shouldn't edit with VE in fear of breaking stuff, or yeah as in I should file a bug/
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[16:06:06] <pajz>	 Hi, who would be responsible for data dumps on http://dumps.wikimedia.org?
[16:07:18] <twkozlowski>	 apergos I think
[16:09:54] <pajz>	 apergos, maybe you can help then. We were informed at info-de that http://dumps.wikimedia.org/dewiki/20140511/ seems to be stuck ("there seems to be a bug, the retry counter doesn’t count down so the process is repeating forever")
[16:10:17] <pajz>	 Is this a known issue?
[16:11:02] <pajz>	 ("getting/checking text 1088791 failed (Received text is unplausible for id 1088791) (Will retry 4 more times)")
[16:16:49] <apergos>	 looking 
[16:17:24] <apergos>	 no, it's fine pajz
[16:17:59] <apergos>	 the id of the thing being retried changes, so it probably fails once because the length is weird, then tries again and says 'ok I believe it', moves on to the next rev
[16:18:14] <apergos>	 the older revs are more susceptible to this, you'll see it off and on
[16:18:32] <apergos>	 getting/checking text 1584431 failed (Received text is unplausible for id 1584431) (Will retry 4 more times)
[16:18:41] <apergos>	 2014-05-13 16:18:34: dewiki (ID 14561) 66062 pages  (0.6|20381.3/sec all|curr), 1973000 revs (18.0|308.5/sec all|curr),  99.7%|99.7% prefetched (all|curr), ETA 2014-08-04 09:33:01 [max  130325142]
[16:18:53] <apergos>	 just reload the page a few times 
[16:20:12] <pajz>	 apergos, ah, so the dump is indeed "in progress" right now?
[16:20:21] <apergos>	 yep
[16:21:21] <pajz>	 All right, thanks, will pass it along :).
[17:02:04] <edsu>	 anyone know if https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCFeeds is enabled on any wikipedias?
[17:06:13] <twkozlowski>	 Yes.
[17:06:55] <twkozlowski>	 edsu: It's enabled on all public Wikimedia wikis
[17:08:52] <edsu>	 nice, do you happen to know if it's udp or redis?
[17:09:53] <twkozlowski>	 udp://$wmgRC2UDPAddress:$wmgRC2UDPPort/$wmgRC2UDPPrefix
[17:10:32] <twkozlowski>	 http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php and http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php edsu
[17:10:35] <twkozlowski>	 all public.
[17:10:39] <^d>	 Right now it's udp to irc, but we're actively trying to replace the irc.
[17:26:00] <kaldari>	 Is Opera the only browser that doesn't report itself as Mozilla/5.0 (i.e. Netscape version 5)?
[17:28:10] <MatmaRex>	 kaldari: IE6 claims to be Mozilla/4.0. ;)
[17:28:58] <MatmaRex>	 kaldari: other than that, judging by our jquery.client tests in core, yes, Opera <= 12 is the only browser that doesn't claims to be Mozilla
[17:31:16] <kaldari>	 Yeah, looks like the later versions do it as well
[17:31:40] <kaldari>	 If someone asks what browser I use, I'm going to tell them Netscape 5 :)
[17:33:51] <edsu>	 twkozlowski: thnx
[17:35:13] <edsu>	 twkozlowski: i guess you have to be on a particular network to listen to that udp traffic eh? 
[17:35:37] <edsu>	 ^d: is the move away from irc just because it's kinda clunky?
[17:36:33] <^d>	 clunky, outdated.
[17:36:39] <edsu>	 ^d: parsing colored text, etc
[17:36:52] <^d>	 that. more difficult for people to write clients for, etc.
[17:37:19] <edsu>	 so to use the udp traffic you need to be in the labs environment i guess?
[17:37:51] <^d>	 No, that's not broadcast to labs either. But we're replacing the irc with some websocket magic I think.
[17:38:09] <edsu>	 oh, gotcha
[17:38:31] <edsu>	 any idea where that work is happening?
[17:41:23] <edsu>	 ^d: sorry meant to ask you if you knew where that stream work was happening...
[17:45:54] <greg-g>	 edsu: 3:43 <       ori> greg-g: some initial docs here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RCStream
[17:45:57] <greg-g>	 13:44 <       ori> greg-g: and some extra details here:  https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-puppet/blob/production/modules/rcstream/README
[17:47:19] <edsu>	 greg-g: thanks very much!
[17:51:46] <edsu>	 greg-g, ^d : i guess for that RCStream app to work mediawikis would need to be reconfigured to use redis
[18:17:15] <Reedy|web>	 fscking "free" wifi
[18:19:31] <johang>	 there is no such thing as a free wifi
[18:41:56] <MartijnH>	 I still haven't been able to conclude a to finish the test suite on vagrant, which runs for a long time, and is then failing with /usr/local/bin/run-mediawiki-tests: line 4:  3988 Killed                  php tests/phpunit/phpunit.php --testdox "$@"
[18:42:08] <MartijnH>	 is there a way to get around that?
[20:10:57] <twkozlowski>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/133046/
[20:11:10] <twkozlowski>	 so what happens now?
[20:13:15] <multichill>	 twkozlowski: It gets deployed?
[20:15:12] <twkozlowski>	 multichill: the revert? :-)
[20:15:32] <multichill>	 It's in master so it's just a matter of time
[20:15:59] <multichill>	 Or you could just ask MaxSem. Max, we missed you this weekend!
[20:16:10] * MaxSem  waves

[20:16:11] <twkozlowski>	 multichill: Sorry, I meant what happens now; there was a patch and got reverted after a day or two.
[20:16:36] <twkozlowski>	 Not that I care much about the API, but I saw the cool feature got added to Special:Watchlist
[20:16:37] <multichill>	 MaxSem: You'd better be in London! ;-)
[20:16:48] <MaxSem>	 OR WHAT?:P
[20:18:01] <MaxSem>	 twkozlowski, because both original commit and revert happened before the cutoff nothing will be deployed in prod
[20:19:31] <multichill>	 Or you miss Wikimania....
[20:45:09] <twkozlowski>	 "added an up-arrow to the preview form that may gave me at the zürich hackathon"
[20:45:15] <twkozlowski>	 brilliant patch description :-))
[20:53:00] <Platonides>	 I guess it's actually someone called May?
[20:53:28] <Platonides>	 otherwise I throw a syntax error attempting to parse it
[20:53:49] <MatmaRex>	 Platonides: yep
[20:54:26] <Krenair>	 Platonides, May Galloway probably
[20:54:29] <Krenair>	 designer
[20:55:09] <Platonides>	 makes sense
[20:56:42] <Platonides>	 it didn't as a verb
[20:58:37] <MartijnH>	 I hate to be the guy who asks the same thing over and over (is this actually the right place, or should it be #mediawiki or something?), but I still can't manage to complete a vagrant run-tests run
[21:00:59] <Krenair>	 MartijnH, I understand the frustration. Ori Livneh is the guy to speak to about Vagrant issues
[21:01:19] <Krenair>	 You'll find him in #mediawiki and #wikimedia-dev as 'ori'
[21:02:29] <MartijnH>	 thanks Krenair 
[21:13:07] <twkozlowski>	 So again, a patch that was merged into MediaWiki core master will ride the train with the branch that gets deployed on Thursday?
[21:13:15] <twkozlowski>	 merged today*
[21:13:25] <twkozlowski>	 greg-g: ^
[21:16:41] <greg-g>	 yeah