[07:38:03] <thedj[laptop]>	 Template expansion limits[edit source]
[07:38:04] <thedj[laptop]>	 I'm continuing to prep the Paul Erdős Bibliography article, and have just come across Wikipedia:Template limits. I was planning on using ~1600 cite journal templates and a couple hundred math templates.
[10:43:45] <move>	 Hello, for some hours in Wikipedia projects special:export produces an corrupt  xml-file with html (shows an internal error) at the end of the file, see http://pastebin.com/aqUGNc7Y  Is this already known. Thx and best wishes
[10:45:42] <Reedy>	 Scaryt
[13:45:14] <Xeroa>	 Hello everyone and goodday to you all. I have a particular problem while setting up the Math extension (for the purpose of TeX support) on a Mediawiki 1.22+ system on debian wheezy. All requirements for the math extension are met, and the installation runs relatively smoothly. However, after a successful run of the update script, i intent to test it out, but it is not showing. Not sure where to look at since the debug output (by enabling the debug tool
[13:45:14] <Xeroa>	 bar) shows me lots of stuff i'm unfamiliar to. I've tried google searching it, but none seem to fit my case, i have compiled texvc and texvccheck as instructed.
[14:34:08] <helderwiki>	 Flow is not working on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Compact_Personal_Bar
[14:34:08] <helderwiki>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65073#c0
[14:34:47] <Reedy>	 Yup
[14:34:51] <Reedy>	 It's known
[16:18:55] <Withoutaname>	 were there any major server hiccups from 2008 that were responsible for file pages being deleted but not the files themselves?
[16:19:10] <Withoutaname>	 e.g. https://br.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restr:125px-BannielBoechout_svg.png
[16:20:35] <Reedy>	 Not sure if major
[16:40:09] <Kolega2357>	 How to replace toolserver link with tools.wmflabs ?
[16:41:18] <mutante>	 where is the link?
[16:41:51] <Kolega2357>	 mutante see my java script https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korisnik:Kolega2357/userinfo.js
[16:42:25] <mutante>	 ah, i see, so it's "what are the new URLs?""
[16:42:30] <mutante>	 uhm..
[16:42:48] <mutante>	 or do you know them and want to put redirects on toolserver.org webserver?
[16:43:35] <Kolega2357>	 mutante I am not knwo
[16:43:37] <Kolega2357>	 know
[16:45:31] <mutante>	 Kolega2357: i'm afraid you have to go through the list one by one and ask the tool authors
[16:45:49] <Reedy>	 Replace toolserver.org/~ with tools.wmf.labs.org/ and hope
[16:46:55] <mutante>	 that and search in https://tools.wmflabs.org/?list
[16:48:23] <Kolega2357>	 Reedy and mutante  No webservice
[16:48:33] <Kolega2357>	 The URI you have requested, /abot/, is not currently serviced.
[16:49:15] <Reedy>	 So it hasn't been migrated yet
[16:56:42] <mutante>	 Kolega2357: you gotta try each tool, some might be there, some will not
[16:56:52] <mutante>	 and if they're not, contact the author and nag
[16:57:31] <twkozlowski>	 James_F|Away: Will you be adding VE items to Tech News this week?
[16:57:57] <twkozlowski>	 James_F|Away: Can't see your name on the list of attendees of the Zurich Hackathon, so I'm guessing you're in SF :-)
[16:58:26] <Reedy>	 He's not
[16:58:32] <Reedy>	 His name is "Visual Editor"
[16:59:46] <twkozlowski>	 Oh dear.
[16:59:57] <twkozlowski>	 I searched for James instead of Jdf out of habit
[17:00:15] <twkozlowski>	 I always forget he uses that weird username
[17:24:32] <MatmaRex>	 twkozlowski: tech news material: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/111096/
[17:26:44] <twkozlowski>	 Thank you, MatmaRex, will make sure to report this
[17:44:37] <mutante>	 did this ever exist ?
[17:44:40] <mutante>	 wiki.ts.wikimedia.org.
[17:45:01] <Reedy>	 lol
[17:45:29] <mutante>	 Reedy: scroll down on https://github.com/scfc/wikilint
[17:45:52] <valhalla1w>	 Reedy: @ tswiki: why would one not want the wiki to be a production wiki?
[17:46:18] <Reedy>	 valhalla1w: It's not going to be used going forward
[17:46:21] <Reedy>	 Just readonly
[17:46:50] <James_F>	 twkozlowski: Writing now, sorry.
[17:47:04] <valhalla1w>	 Reedy: I don't understand why that matters - there are more read-only wikis, right?
[17:47:38] <Reedy>	 Right
[17:47:38] <valhallasw>	 Reedy: in any case, keeping it updated-and-read-only sounds like a much etter idea than outdated-and-read-only :-p
[17:47:46] <Reedy>	 But those were there before
[17:47:56] <Reedy>	 valhallasw: It's currently outdated and read/write ;)
[17:48:03] <valhallasw>	 I know.
[17:48:22] <valhallasw>	 And given that currently there are actual admins who are supposed to do the upgrades
[17:48:35] <valhallasw>	 I'm not sure whether a volunteer-run tool would have a better fate :-)
[17:49:17] <valhallasw>	 Importing it to a WMF wiki is a one-time hassle, and then takes zero effort; that is not the case for a tool or labs project.
[17:49:34] <valhallasw>	 (at the risk of underestimating the work single wikis take in the long run)
[17:49:41] <Reedy>	 Personally, I don't really care where it ends up
[17:51:26] <Reedy>	 I wonder who has the deciding vote
[17:52:48] <valhallasw>	 Reedy: probably Silke, or alternatively whoever imports the TS wiki first ;-)
[17:52:58] <Reedy>	 Well, not really
[17:53:07] <Reedy>	 It's someone on WMF side ;)
[17:54:26] <twkozlowski>	 Thanks James_F!
[17:56:01] <mutante>	 how's the JIRA to Bugzilla import going? 
[17:58:14] <valhallasw>	 mutante: project-by-project basis; I run them manually
[17:58:45] <valhallasw>	 mutante: so if something needs to be imported, create a bug under bugzilla and CC me
[17:58:56] <James_F>	 valhallasw: Just in time to import from Bugzilla to Phabricator? :-)
[17:59:11] <Reedy>	 lolol
[17:59:14] <valhallasw>	 James_F: realistically, Phabricator is going to take at least another year :-p
[17:59:16] <Reedy>	 James_F: Behave.
[17:59:36] <valhallasw>	 James_F: also, the JIRA to BZ code is here, right now, and working ;-)
[18:00:51] <mutante>	 :)
[18:02:12] <mutante>	 "Atlassian strongly believes in open source software. "  just not enough to open source JIRA... or i'd actually want to have it
[18:03:02] <mutante>	 oh.. or is it 
[18:03:09] <valhallasw>	 mutante: no, but it's free for OSS projects
[18:03:42] <mutante>	 "This download includes our modifications to the open source packages (if we made any)."  hehe
[18:03:46] <mutante>	 nicely put
[18:04:24] <mutante>	 "Source code to the remainder of JIRA (e.g. the Atlassian-proprietary portions) may also be available to those who hold a valid license to JIRA."
[18:04:33] <mutante>	 "may" yea
[18:04:43] <mutante>	 as a user i like it...
[18:04:48] <mutante>	 as an admin i can't
[18:05:00] <valhallasw>	 Why?
[18:05:43] <valhallasw>	 Do you actively solve issues in most packages?
[18:05:55] <mutante>	 non-free, hard to debug, all you do is dump an .ear or .war file into Tomcat/JBoss and it works or doesnt
[18:06:12] <mutante>	 well, i should say as server admin
[18:06:26] <valhallasw>	 Sure. Then again, there's a lot of Windows servers out there ;-)
[18:06:26] <mutante>	 as JIRA admin the features to add complex workflows are cool
[18:07:11] <valhallasw>	 (but I have to say that coding in C# is a frustrating experience compared to Python, where one can just check the library source code to see why the heck something is not working)
[18:07:23] <James_F>	 valhallasw: Psh. :-)
[18:07:23] <valhallasw>	 It's great when it works, though.
[18:07:26] <James_F>	 Reedy: :-P
[18:09:23] <StevenW>	 Is there a kosher way for us to bypass jenkins?
[18:09:34] <StevenW>	 He's being a jerk on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/129098/ 
[18:09:38] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[18:09:40] <Reedy>	 Delete his review
[18:09:42] <Reedy>	 +2 both
[18:09:46] <StevenW>	 Cool
[18:10:10] <valhallasw>	 However, qunit will probably complain for any future ptaches, then.
[18:10:35] <StevenW>	 phuedx: ^
[18:30:30] <twkozlowski>	 MatmaRex: Aha!
[18:31:01] <MatmaRex>	 :o
[18:31:13] <twkozlowski>	 MatmaRex: Wondering where m4tx came from
[18:32:02] <twkozlowski>	 just noticed his patch was merged after more than six months: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/97454/
[18:44:50] <phuedx>	 thanks Reedy, StevenW
[18:44:57] <phuedx>	 i don't need jenkins
[18:45:03] <phuedx>	 i evaluate all code in my head
[18:45:08] <phuedx>	 i'm a maverick
[18:46:22] <mutante>	 i like " the chance of remaining problems being fixed is probably higher after this is merged."
[18:46:32] <mutante>	 that could work for other things too *g*:)
[20:05:20] <twkozlowski>	 ooh hoo
[20:05:35] <twkozlowski>	 16:19 hoo: Changed email for global account "Elph".
[20:05:40] <twkozlowski>	 This is being done again?
[20:19:35] <twkozlowski>	 What is a Flow workflow?
[20:19:58] <Reedy>	 Ask a silly question...
[20:21:26] <twkozlowski>	 Sorry to think you consider this a silly question. I just don't know what this means.
[20:21:45] <Reedy>	 Neither do I
[20:21:56] <Reedy>	 It was rather than giving a silly answer
[20:22:02] <twkozlowski>	 "Any process that happens in time can be called a workflow."
[20:22:14] <twkozlowski>	 From the documentation, but I don't know what this means, either.
[20:22:42] <twkozlowski>	 I'd like to mention a new feature in Tech News
[20:23:05] <twkozlowski>	 "You can now directly link to Flow posts or workflows using Special:Flow."
[20:23:25] <twkozlowski>	 But then people are surely going to ask what is a Flow workflow, and I don't know what it is :-/
[20:26:35] <Reedy>	 "A discussion topic is a Workflow instance"
[20:26:40] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow/Architecture#Workflow
[20:27:59] <twkozlowski>	 OK, we know what can be a Workflow instance. Now, what is a workflow? :-)
[20:28:15] <twkozlowski>	 Maybe I'll just leave it be or rephrase that bit :-/
[20:28:56] <Reedy>	 I've still not used Flow at all
[20:38:36] <twkozlowski>	 James_F|Away: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52871 was merged before the last issue went out, I didn't think it newsworthy enough
[20:39:13] <twkozlowski>	 It's basically about two-three words changing
[21:05:00] <Withoutaname>	 what is flow
[21:05:17] <Withoutaname>	 it sounds like a river
[21:05:49] <brion>	 it is a river of communications that flows from human heart to human heart
[21:06:03] <brion>	 listen to the burbling brook, it is the beating of your blood vessels
[21:06:12] <twkozlowski>	 that's quip-worthy
[21:06:18] <mutante>	 hahah
[21:06:35] <brion>	 Withoutaname: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flow
[21:06:58] <brion>	 i’m exhausted from walking around zurich, i need to get back in walking shape
[21:07:06] <brion>	 coffee and sugar are still kicking back in :D
[21:07:07] <mutante>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow
[21:08:07] <mutante>	 brion: is it kind of like status.net on mediawiki?
[21:08:58] <brion>	 mutante: hmmm maybe kinda ;) i haven’t looked at the internal arch yet so far
[21:09:20] <brion>	 but any message-delivery system ultimately is similar when it comes down to queues and inboxes :D
[21:09:46] <^d>	 Why aren't we just using e-mail then?
[21:10:51] * mutante  gives ^d a crashing spamassassin 

[21:11:05] <brion>	 hehe
[21:17:26] <p858snake|l>	 lqt4lyfe
[21:18:17] <mutante>	 looks like a password
[21:18:23] <^d>	 p858snake|l: lqt? bah, classic talkpages or gtfo.
[21:19:25] <Withoutaname>	 Funny
[21:19:37] <Withoutaname>	 I imagined flow to be like a beta-beta version of LQT
[21:21:14] <mutante>	 http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseModWiki/Talk  ftw
[21:22:48] <Kolega2357>	 twkozlowski hi
[21:24:20] <Withoutaname>	 Kolega2357 are you here for some cookies?
[21:26:12] <Kolega2357>	 Withoutaname What?
[22:02:46] <legoktm>	 twkozlowski: a "workflow" is a discussion thread I think.
[22:52:29] <Gloria>	 >
[22:52:32] <Gloria>	 Domas Mituzas is having a work anniversary.
[22:52:33] <Gloria>	 11 years this May at Wikimedia Foundation.
[22:52:36] <Gloria>	 >
[22:52:38] <Gloria>	 :D
[22:53:40] <domas>	 haha
[22:53:43] <domas>	 I have no idea how it counts
[23:06:13] <p858snake|l>	 domas: Using a calendar, one would hope.
[23:08:01] <twkozlowski>	 Reedy: Hi!
[23:08:05] <twkozlowski>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tech/News/2014/20#Flow
[23:08:14] <twkozlowski>	 Didn't I say that's going to happen? :-))
[23:11:43] <Kolega2357>	 twkozlowski Do you know to fix java scripts?
[23:12:27] <twkozlowski>	 Sorry?
[23:22:58] <Gloria>	 I think he's asking about fixing a JavaScript issue.