[11:40:24] bug: it seems that using the send copy of e-mail to myself in e-mailfunction in MediaWiki is broken, mails met copy to myself do not arrive in my mailbox... [11:46:13] Romaine: which wiki? [11:49:18] I used this function yesterday, it was fine. [11:49:26] Romaine: What mail provider are you using? [12:03:41] nl-wiki [12:03:45] yahoo [12:03:53] but multiple users compalin about this now [12:04:28] Romaine: Yahoo. There's your problem, probably. [12:04:49] Yahoo has made a mess of it's mailing rules recently [12:06:10] Romaine: wikipedia sends emails as 'from: romaine@yahoo.com', and yahoo is preventing those e-mails from being delivered [12:06:17] I do not know what the other problem users use [12:10:23] Well, we're telling you Yahoo sucks. [12:14:54] hmm, how do I insert ~~~~ in VE? [12:15:46] Press the key next to the alphanumerical key '1'? [12:15:56] (with Shift) [12:16:16] No, then I get clippy telling me 'You're in the Visual Editor, wikitext doesn't work here!' [12:19:01] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:VisualEditor/Feedback/Unable_to_add_my_signature_via_VisualEditor [12:19:09] appears to be Broken By Design [12:19:21] Oh, right. [12:19:37] so VE should not be enabled on Help: pages [12:19:51] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51154#c8 [12:20:40] Romaine: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56414 is your bug [12:21:10] twkozlowski: no, it's not, that's a *diferent* yahoo issue [12:21:21] that's the 'yahoo people cannot receive mailing list emails' issue [12:21:38] there's also the 'yahoo people cannot send mail to a mailing list without getting hundreds of error mails back' issue [12:21:59] Doesn't say mailing lists [12:22:13] Says notifications in the first comment [12:22:43] twkozlowski: I'm not sure what your point is. [12:23:19] Fine. [12:29:05] isn't the hundreds of error mail back issue https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59731#c33 ? [12:31:26] andre__: no, I don't think so. That's the 'Yahoo has unclear spam filtering policies' issue, I think. [12:31:34] the hundreds of error mails is the DMARC issue [12:31:42] Ah ok [12:31:48] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html < that one [12:32:12] yeah, I know the DMARC/DKIM issue too, but I'm not enough into details [12:32:25] Yahoo mail just feels like a big bug with many different outcomes now :-/ [12:32:45] I'm just going to add an issue to track it, as it also blocks people from sending mails via wikipedia [12:42:12] ok, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64795 is the bug [12:48:08] hmpf mid air collision [12:48:35] You're a wiki user -- you're used to nothing else ;-) [13:22:05] twkozlowski: thanks [16:21:32] whats the best tool for checking 2 different categories or undercategories and find who is in both of them category-trees ? [16:21:49] fx one maintenance category and a maybe a category for people from Finland by birth [16:25:59] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php [16:26:58] http://tools.wmflabs.org/catscan2/catscan2.php but they said it was down few mins ago? gm [17:05:59] "Error generating thumbnail" - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64801 [17:10:44] That's a bit generic, you know :) [17:22:49] "As an anti-spam measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit.\nPlease try again in a few minutes." Can we exempt Labs and Toolserver from this? [17:24:33] Toolserver is already exempt AFAIK [17:26:52] Dispenser: $wgCaptchaWhitelistIP = array( '91.198.174.0/24' ); # toolserver (bug 23982) [17:27:08] You can probably just submit a patch with whatever IPs should be used now. [17:27:35] Unless it's some broader exception that you're after. [17:30:39] This is for the image scalers. It seems to be new. [17:31:51] Ah. You have to ask Aaron... [17:35:29] Labs is 208.80.154.224 so that should probably be added. But Labs is slightly broken anyway... [18:05:29] Don't know if this is the right place to ask. I'm developing an app to browse wikipedia. For that I display thumbnails of the articles. But I now get frequently "Error generating thumbnail - As an anti-spam measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes." error 500 while [18:05:29] requesting thumbnail images from upload.wikimdia.org. Can anyone give me details when exactly this happens and if there is a way to get around this? [18:08:19] too much request you have exceeded the rate limit... [18:10:15] Yes, that is clear to me. But my app even caches this images, so it should not really be THAT many request I had. Do you know what the limits are? [18:12:17] bambooLe: we already have two bugs about it https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64622 [18:14:41] please add your use case [18:15:46] Ah OK, will do. Thank you. [19:00:26] Tech News #19 has just been published: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2014/19 [19:07:36] Thumbnail generation usually between 0.5-2 seconds; since browser now have pipelining of 6, we'll probably see 0.3 requests per second. Is this problem? Yes, when loading image category pages with 500 images each. [19:13:35] Dispenser: did you see the last wikitech-l message by brion? [19:13:57] Don't read wikitech-l [19:15:03] Dispenser: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-April/076268.html [19:20:06] Started pre-caching WikiMiniAtlas-sized thumb, before error reporting code was robust enough and now doing all files. Its consolidated issues with our scalers in a single spot which might be why he's hearing more about it. [19:23:01] Dispenser: not really, the trigger was mostly the recent imagescaler outage [19:23:55] We still don't to gamma correct scaling :-( http://www.4p8.com/eric.brasseur/gamma.html [And Photoshop/GIMP do it run too]