[07:58:19] <twkozlowski>	 https://en.planet.wikimedia.org/
[07:58:27] <twkozlowski>	 No Tech News in there?
[12:48:44] <Nemo_bis>	 Hm, I still don't see it.
[12:58:25] <Trminator>	 hm, why does http://status.wikimedia.org state that icinga is broken, when icinga-wm seems to be working in #wikimedia-operations ?
[12:59:00] <Reedy>	 Probably because status.wm.o can't login to the icinga web interface
[12:59:18] <Trminator>	 hm, seems so, yea
[13:08:54] <Reedy>	 Disabled now
[13:31:05] <Nemo_bis>	 thanks
[13:35:39] <twkozlowski>	 https://secure.phabricator.com/T4843
[13:35:45] <twkozlowski>	 WIKIMEDIA, YOU ARE FUCKING AWESOME
[13:35:55] <twkozlowski>	 (Thank you for the attention.)
[13:39:10] <Nemo_bis>	 All of it, or which component specifically? :)
[13:39:51] <twkozlowski>	 All of it. I'm in a love mood right now :-)
[13:40:28] <twkozlowski>	 Absolutely brilliant that a Random Person on the Internet(TM) agrees to spend some time making a Random Task Management Software(TM) more accessible for everyone else.
[13:40:31] <twkozlowski>	 Just brilliant.
[13:45:17] <Nemo_bis>	 Wow, I wish I could always make you so happy. :)
[13:46:12] * Nemo_bis  takes whip "Now more phabricator testing! Slacker!"

[13:46:46] <twkozlowski>	 Nemo_bis: There is one thing that can make me happy
[13:46:58] <twkozlowski>	 Nemo_bis: I was thinking about the other day
[13:47:10] <twkozlowski>	 Nemo_bis: We should get the logos created by GCI students on-line
[13:47:13] <twkozlowski>	 Would be nice.
[13:47:31] <twkozlowski>	 … about it …
[13:48:08] <Nemo_bis>	 Oh. They are not?
[13:48:20] <twkozlowski>	 No one submitted them to the config yet.
[13:48:40] <Nemo_bis>	 Do those projects actually exist already?
[13:48:53] <Nemo_bis>	 I thought we already put all the usable ones in use. :<
[13:49:13] <twkozlowski>	 If we did, I wasn't CC'd to any of the patches...
[13:49:34] <twkozlowski>	 Nemo_bis: the students created logos for existing projects, ie. those out of Incubator
[13:51:57] <Nemo_bis>	 Right.
[13:52:14] <Nemo_bis>	 It was only me proposing to create logos for incubator languages
[14:00:24] <whym>	 what did the deployment schedule look like before https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/12/mediawiki-1-20wmf1-deployment/ ? every release + emergency deployments?
[14:04:12] <Nemo_bis>	 yes, more or less
[14:04:20] <Nemo_bis>	 basically a waterfall model
[14:05:05] <Nemo_bis>	 at some point the release was branched and devs rushed to clear the huuuuuge backlog of unreviewed changes, then the release was deployed and they rushed to fix the maaaaaany bugs :)
[14:07:03] <Nemo_bis>	 Hmm, I preserved some graphs at https://toolserver.org/~nemobis/crstats/robla/ but they're not working as they used to
[14:08:57] <whym>	 Nemo_bis: it sounds like I was fortunate that I was involved into the tech side after the current process started. :)
[14:12:55] <Nemo_bis>	 It depends on perspective. Surely that was more exciting. ;)
[14:14:14] <Nemo_bis>	 1.19 is the last MediaWiki core release for which there were actual expectations. Since then, nobody seems to really care about MediaWiki core releases. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.19 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.19/Deployment_announcement
[14:16:14] <whym>	 Nemo_bis: actually [[ja:WP:BUG]] respects it for structuring its archives, and I'm going to propose abandoning it.
[14:16:31] <whym>	 because it doesn't make much sense any more.
[14:32:32] <whym_away>	 Nemo_bis: before I leave - thanks for the answer.
[14:37:58] <Nemo_bis>	 :)
[18:26:20] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm quite annoyed that wikidata keeps suggesting me to add labels in nap and scn; any workaround?
[18:26:53] <Nemo_bis>	 lol, even if I choose english interface
[18:29:04] <Nemo_bis>	 great; changing language to en, fr, es, it (in this order) fixed it
[18:29:29] * Nemo_bis  can't wait for CLDR 26

[18:31:45] <multichill>	 Nemo_bis: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Nemo_bis ? You need a babel box
[18:32:05] <Reedy>	 gj Nemo_bis
[18:32:22] <multichill>	 {{#babel:it|en-3}}
[18:32:37] <multichill>	 That will tell the interface what to show to you
[18:33:03] <Nemo_bis>	 multichill: are you kidding?
[18:33:10] <multichill>	 Nope
[18:33:19] <Nemo_bis>	 and what am I suppose to write
[18:33:30] <Nemo_bis>	 where is this documented
[18:33:45] <Reedy>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Nemo_bis
[18:33:54] <multichill>	 Reedy: hahahaha
[18:34:12] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm not going to add scn-0 nap-0 lmo-0 etc. for each of the 20 languages CLDR thinks spoken in italy
[18:34:48] <multichill>	 Nemo_bis: Quit moaning and press F5
[18:35:27] <multichill>	 Or click https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Random
[18:36:33] <Nemo_bis>	 already did so
[18:36:42] <Nemo_bis>	 no more french and spanish
[18:36:57] <multichill>	 (in case you haven't noticed Nemo_bis, both me and Reedy edited your user page so https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Random now shows it and en)
[18:37:25] <multichill>	 Just add the languages you would like to see to https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nemo_bis&action=edit
[18:37:48] <Nemo_bis>	 not going to fake babel :)
[18:37:59] <Nemo_bis>	 anyway, thanks for the demonstration
[18:38:09] <multichill>	 You can do fr-1 and es-1
[18:38:25] <multichill>	 Basic understanding, check :-)
[18:38:33] <Nemo_bis>	 no
[18:39:00] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm at most es-0.33, pt-0.33, fr-0.33
[18:39:04] <multichill>	 I'm not sure what the effect of es-0 is
[18:39:18] <Nemo_bis>	 -0 would be false too :)
[18:39:49] <Nemo_bis>	 anyway, babels are silly; actual solution is fixing CLDR or wherever those guesses come from
[18:39:50] <multichill>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AMultichill&diff=121793707&oldid=95680701 <- that works
[18:39:57] <Trminator>	 Nemo_bis: well, what logic would you like then? you don't want to add a babel, so how should the interface know which languages you actually understand?
[18:40:24] <Nemo_bis>	 that's not what I want
[18:40:30] <multichill>	 Nemo_bis: Your ip is from Italy, scn and nap are from Italy so you get to see them
[18:40:31] <Nemo_bis>	 I only want not to see dialects
[18:40:51] <Nemo_bis>	 sure; that's a known bug that will be fixed in CLDR 26
[18:40:55] <multichill>	 Like in the Netherlands you get Fu
[18:40:57] <multichill>	 *fy
[18:40:59] <Trminator>	 Nemo_bis: then you need to tell the interface that ...
[18:41:59] <multichill>	 Is that really a fix? Say I'm in Barcelona, does CLDR 26 make Catalan disappear? 
[18:43:06] <Nemo_bis>	 fixing the Italian data was enough work
[18:43:23] <Nemo_bis>	 I didn't look how wrong the rest is
[18:43:40] <Nemo_bis>	 and I'm certsinly not going to touch catalan anything ever
[18:46:05] <Nemo_bis>	 More info in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62346 and linked tickets, for the most curious :)
[18:46:42] <Nemo_bis>	 The magic table in question is http://unicode.org/repos/cldr-tmp/trunk/diff/supplemental/territory_language_information.html
[18:52:50] <multichill>	 Nemo_bis: That magic table looks, ehm, interesting. What is it based on? For the Netherlands German is missing
[19:17:41] <Nemo_bis>	 multichill: it's based on CIA and UNO data + fixes
[19:17:56] <Nemo_bis>	 it needs a lot of work, please file bugs
[19:18:18] <Nemo_bis>	 I added some pointers in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/FAQ#How_does_Universal_Language_Selector_determine_which_languages_I_may_understand
[19:18:57] <Tlustulimu>	 Hallo. I just found a problem which the system bot "https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzanto:MediaWiki_message_delivery". it have contributions https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciala%C4%B5o:Kontribuoj/MediaWiki_message_delivery, but its protocol https://eo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciala%C4%B5o%3AProtokolo&type=massmessage&user=&page=&year=2014&month=-1&tagfilter= is empty.
[19:18:59] <Tlustulimu>	 why?
[19:25:10] <Nemo_bis>	 Tlustulimu: what's strange about it?
[19:25:41] <Tlustulimu>	 the protocol of a mediawiki bot is empty.
[19:26:11] <Nemo_bis>	 What would you expect to see there?
[19:26:21] <Tlustulimu>	 I just look on the german wikipedia. there the protocol isn't empty.
[19:26:36] <Tlustulimu>	 what the bot did.
[19:27:09] <Nemo_bis>	 The bot doesn't make any action
[19:27:13] <Nemo_bis>	 Only edits
[19:27:20] <Nemo_bis>	 You should probably read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MassMessage :)
[19:27:38] <Platonides>	 Tlustulimu, you mean an url like //foo.wikipedia,org/whatever ?
[19:28:08] <Krenair>	 The protocol?
[19:28:11] <Nemo_bis>	 log
[19:28:13] <Krenair>	 Seems that translates to log.
[19:28:19] <Nemo_bis>	 yep
[20:31:06] <twkozlowski>	 http://fab.wmflabs.org/res/phabricator/c88bd7c6/core.pkg.css
[20:31:11] <twkozlowski>	 That's quite unreadable.
[20:32:35] <Nemo_bis>	 Shame on you, you still didn't learn to read base64?
[20:32:51] <Nemo_bis>	 What do they teach in Polish elementary schools?
[20:33:08] <Krenair>	 twkozlowski, it's minimised and includes data uris
[20:33:32] <twkozlowski>	 Nemo_bis: We only had uuencode in elementary.
[20:33:35] <Krenair>	 (at least, I hope it's minimised)
[20:41:50] <Nemo_bis>	 greg-g: did you see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64093 ? some it.wiki users are unnecessarily disillusioned due to this bug :)
[20:46:14] <greg-g>	 Nemo_bis: iow: you want this merged and deployed? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/127473/
[20:50:52] <Nemo_bis>	 greg-g: yes, ideally also the other backport so that it's fixed before next Wikipedias upgrade