[03:38:49] StevenW, TimStarling or other staff: private chat please, somewhat urgent issue [03:39:01] Just one of you will be enough. :) [03:39:04] Done [03:54:42] TimStarling: ping [03:54:52] yes? [03:55:15] steven had to go afk and I'd like you to check something for me in private chat [04:32:13] Hi to all. I've got a question to developers/sysadmins: after the recent forced logout I realized that I've forgotten the password from my bot - Rubinbot III :) I've requested email but received nothing at the emails I usually use. Is it somehow possible to drop account's email or do something to get it back? I can prove that I am the botowner [07:29:33] Hi there, can someone help me with a question about the AbuseFilter extension? Thanks! [07:30:24] (i would like to enquire about the ip_in_range functionality - what it does and what it doesn't) [07:33:12] WikiGnom: what's unclear about it? what have you tried? [07:34:01] If you're not familiar with IP ranges, there is a help page on mediawiki.org and you can play with https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/ipcalc/ (when it's not down of course, i.e. rarely) [07:38:28] Nemo_bis: I was wondering if it can be used to determine a logged-in user's IP in some way. [07:39:08] (I am totally unfamiliar with these things, never used any of these things myself since I am not an admin but as an Ombudsman, I sometimes have to deal with them ;-) [07:39:58] I see. [07:40:36] I was told that this command simply doesn't work with logged-in users, and I wanted to confirm that [07:40:47] since the documentation doesn't mention this [07:41:05] Hmpf http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/globalgroups/index.php#ombudsmen [07:41:35] First, you can check bugzilla in case someone has reported bugs about it :) [07:42:01] Second, please visit test.wikipedia.org while logged in, I'll make you sysop there [07:42:20] Nemo_bis: what do you mean by "Hmpf"? [07:42:46] I mean that you can't even see abuse filters [07:42:55] yes [07:43:01] Nemo_bis: visited the test wiki [07:44:52] WikiGnom: ok, now you can play with it [07:45:18] Nemo_bis: thank you (I don't know if I should though) [07:45:50] WikiGnom: that's the purpose of the wiki [07:46:20] use your own IP and make the filter private, or something [07:46:28] Nemo_bis: okay, because the Main page reads "The Wikipedia Test Wiki is not: an arena to play with administrator's tools." [07:47:15] the key word in that sentence is "arena" [07:47:30] as long as you play in your corner without disturbing anyone else it's ok [07:47:44] alright [07:47:49] if you start fireworks shows, then it's wrong [07:48:11] okay, just a playing in my little workshop in the basement then [09:18:03] jem-: still didn't file the bug? [09:30:34] Nemo_bis: I stopped when I was said that my Helvetica fonts could be corrupted, I think it's no sense to file a bug for an individual problem [09:31:01] Now I have to find the time to check my fonts [09:32:16] Btw, I have another question: Does anyone know how to change the class="interlanguage-link interwiki-xxx" titles for the language names in the interwikis? I don't find that in translatewiki... [09:33:25] I wanna replace old file upload (special:upload) by en.wiki's current File Upload Wizard in tamil wikipedia. Can anyone help me? [09:37:44] jem-: well I filed it for you https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63720 [09:37:54] Since I had already done most of the work to give you the link [09:38:14] Please attach your copy of the font and/or its metadata [09:38:34] Anton10: why can't you use Commons? [09:39:16] gry would link you https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/UploadWizard:_scale_to_sister_projects [09:42:36] I wanted to localize the wizard in ta.wiki as en.wiki does [09:44:20] Anton10 replaced by anton0 [09:44:30] Ahm, thanks, Nemo_bis, I'll attach it (let's hope they don't throw stones at me...) [09:44:41] jem-: at worst it can be made private [09:45:13] Ok... the font is (c) 1992-97 Hewlett-Packard, by the way [09:45:37] windows claims you can easily retrieve the metadata of all fonts with a right click [09:45:43] * M$ [09:46:29] Well, not in the properties of this one [09:46:53] http://www.microsoft.com/typography/TrueTypeProperty21.mspx [09:47:14] Maybe it only works with those they bundle [09:47:29] They're not very clear about its coverage [09:48:44] How can i localize this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard one of the sister projects? [09:55:47] {{Done}} [09:56:49] And about the language names question? [11:05:47] jem-: I don't understand the question [11:06:09] Maybe you mean https://translatewiki.net/wiki/CLDR#Localised_language_names [11:36:32] jem-: can you see if it's the same with this version? https://code.google.com/p/flexwork/source/browse/trunk/flexwork/src/assets/helr45w.ttf?r=90 [11:50:57] anton0: how work this? Free feels schould be uploaded to commons?? [12:15:02] Hi everyone [12:15:24] Just dropping in to see what all the fuss is about [12:16:09] It's hard to believe I've been dabbling in Lua for a year and still haven't checked this place out [12:34:15] hi MrStradivarius [12:36:32] hoo|away: so how does one use mwgrep? only from a host in the cluster? [12:43:33] well, created https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mwgrep [12:44:24] very active https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=ResourceLoader/Tasks&action=history [13:33:35] Nemo_bis: Only works in the cluster, yes [13:34:01] hoo: thanks; there is a question for you then :) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63725 [13:36:57] Nemo_bis: Can do [13:37:40] \o/ [13:43:45] Nemo_bis: Done [13:47:26] not few :< [14:39:16] thedj: I don't understand a thing, am I dreaming or did the sidebar font become noticeably smaller (in monobook)? [14:45:52] hashar: Any idea what's up with the mediawiki-core-qunit test failing all over the place with timeouts? It's getting annoying seeing Jenkins -1s for that. [14:52:24] Nemo_bis: Yes, probably CLDR answers my question, although I can't find bpy:'s name in the list for Spanish nor English. Helvetica: I can try later but the files are different just for a few bytes... [14:55:18] Nemo_bis: i'm not up to date with the latest changes. Matmarex probably knows exactly was merged there or not. [15:00:28] anomie: there is a bug filled for it , timo looked at it [15:01:57] anomie: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63579 :) [15:02:20] in meeting [15:48:26] anomie: so qunit fails randomly indeed. I have not looked at it though [15:52:31] off for dinner will be back this evening [18:22:36] MatmaRex: hi, do you know if something made the sidebar smaller in monobook recently? I don't understand if I'm dreaming or what [18:22:46] This is what the inspector tells me: http://imgur.com/XMGQput [18:23:34] Nemo_bis: i'm not aware of any such change, it looks the same for me [18:23:52] there are probably tons of screenshots on commons to compare with [18:24:21] not of how it looked on my browser ;) [18:25:01] although, the sidebar width apparently depends on font size [18:25:31] but, the font size is explicitly set on anyway, so that shouldn't matter [18:25:35] anyway, I guess I'm dreaming [18:25:58] or rather, perhaps I removed a browser preference about minimum size some time ago [18:54:24] I'm missing a message: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Reports#Reports [18:54:31] -anchor [21:04:34] somebody told me that wikipedia already reissued ssl certificates, but the certificate for https://en.wikipedia.org is still from 2012-10-21 [21:11:33] anyone? what’s up with the 2012-10-21 certificate from https://en.wikipedia.org? [21:12:23] sanchom: see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124634/ [21:12:33] that shows the replacement of the actual pem file on our servers [21:13:04] so, why isn’t that getting to me on my browser?… any guesses? [21:13:31] my guess is that since we had the cert 'reissued' it didn't change the date? [21:13:34] I don't know, exactly [21:13:41] oh, issue date isn’t the issue date? [21:14:11] sanchom: I'm asking someone for clarification [21:14:19] cool, thank you [21:47:14] #wikimedia-office in ~15 minutes: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings/RFC_review_2014-04-09 -- UserMailer refactor, Nonlinear versioning, Authstack, Abstract table definitions, & support for user-specific page lists in core - quick nextsteps [22:26:01] now talking about https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Support_for_user-specific_page_lists_in_core in #wikimedia-office [22:39:05] greg-g: any word? [22:41:45] sanchom: the certificate isn't from 2012-10-21 [22:42:05] technically that field only says that _it's not valid_ before 2012-10-21 [22:42:19] how can I tell when a certificate was issued? [22:42:23] you can't [22:42:33] then how can i know when to trust a website again? [22:42:47] what makes you trust the website in the first place? :) [22:42:52] the certificate [22:43:00] no, you trust the people behind it [22:43:06] okay [22:43:11] i didn’t think so [22:43:11] by that I mean [22:43:19] but okay, i’ll believe you [22:43:20] there's a lot of things that can be insecure [22:43:23] yes [22:43:32] a certificate by itself doesn't say much [22:43:40] apparently not [22:43:45] not even when it was issued by the CA [22:43:50] we did replace the certificate [22:43:57] i saw the change [22:44:12] the new certificate that was issued the day before yesterday has the same "not valid before" date [22:44:17] that's just how our CA does replacements [22:44:28] but in general, on other websites, like banking websites… how am i to know that they’ve changed the certificate? [22:44:33] i can’t, is what you’re saying? [22:44:51] well, if they did the replacement properly [22:44:57] the old certificate should have been revoked [22:45:07] where is the revokation announced? [22:45:20] the CA does that, there are two ways, CRL & OCSP [22:45:31] basically i want a way to confirm that a certificate change has happened after April 7 [22:45:32] CRL is just one large file of all revocations, OCSP is a realtiem protocol [22:45:55] cool. is there a way to look up CRL for a particular domain? [22:46:07] your browser is supposed to do that [22:46:47] it's not just heartbleed, a site can and will replace a certificate before it expires for a number of other reasons [22:46:51] so if my browser lets me go to my banks website, how do i know that it’s because they’ve revoked and reissued, or whether they’ve never done that yet [22:48:23] but for this (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124634/), i’d have the same problem with wikipedia [22:49:17] wikipedia’s revokation and re-issue with the old “not valid before date” is indistinguishable to me as an end-user from wikipedia having not done anything [22:49:28] yes it is [22:53:35] this answer: http://superuser.com/a/739462/148324 says that new certificates will get a new date [22:53:37] is that answer wrong? [22:54:18] yes [22:54:35] do you have a reference that I could use to correct it? [22:56:55] the x.509 field is "not valid before" [22:57:00] that's literally its name [22:57:27] (the authoritative reference would be the x509 spec, but it's an ITU spec and is not free-as-in-beer) [23:08:01] thanks paravoid [23:36:35] the certificate my browser gets when I go to https://en.wikipedia.org doesn’t match this: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124634/1/files/ssl/star.wikimedia.org.pem [23:37:35] oh, it’s not supposed to. nevermind