[09:19:00] Kolega2357: that sounds like #mediawiki-i18n territory [09:24:42] or #wikimedia-overflow [09:37:54] 47 valiant users made changes to their home on toolserver in last two weeks [09:45:06] Nemo_bis: ^^ [11:02:49] hallo [15:28:28] RT #80, congrats mutante :) [15:38:06] zeljkof: there are a couple of other things in gerrit I'd like to ask about once the gem gets updated [18:03:35] csteipp: just following up on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62614 we had a short conversation about it in IRC yesterday because https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124044/ [18:11:59] wiki breaks [18:12:08] Unable to open /usr/local/apache/common-local/wikiversions.cdb. [18:12:13] Error [18:14:15] Romaine: Thanks for reporting. Known problem and currently being worked on in #wikimedia-operations [18:14:21] thanks [18:15:36] fixed even, allegedly [18:16:00] yes, fixed, but what happened? [18:16:33] Hi, does anyone in here knows about the tipography change? [18:17:18] Yes. [18:17:19] It seemed Liberation Sans was to be used before the Helveticas but since yesterday it seems it's not used anymore [18:17:24] No. [18:17:44] Oh [18:17:46] I'll let you take this one, odder :P [18:17:48] jem-: there's some font info at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh [18:18:06] Ok, let me see [18:18:29] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124387/ jem- [18:18:38] The point is with the Helveticas it is reading much worse [18:18:51] jem-: What OS are you on? [18:19:00] Chrome with Windows XP [18:19:11] screenshots much appreciated [18:19:12] I installed Liberation Sans TTF and was very happy with it [18:19:23] yes, please screenshot on a bug [18:19:27] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/ will fix it soon [18:19:34] No. [18:19:47] No? [18:19:49] Not soon :-) [18:19:58] * Nemo_bis is optimist [18:20:06] jem-: is this what you see? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63662 [18:20:22] aka http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=15048 [18:20:23] jem-: StevenW is probably the guy to poke [18:20:32] but via bugzilla [18:20:35] (if he's around) [18:21:23] Letme see [18:21:28] it's worth pointing out, in case you've just come out of hibernation, Windows XP is really, really not a good idea anymore, and that you should upgrade to something more secure, either Windows or a Linux distro if you can. [18:22:58] NotASpy: I know, but I'm waiting for my workplace to decide which version to upgrade to, to do the same [18:23:27] good stuff [18:23:27] Nemo_bis: Not such a problem [18:23:46] jem-: then file a separate bug [18:24:08] with screenshot; we'll give further instructions on bugzilla for additional info needed [18:27:27] Hummmm, it's strange that it is just happening to me [18:28:03] jem-: it was removed due to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63512 [18:28:23] Did you install Helvetica on your machine, or did it come with another application? [18:28:57] XP does not have it by default, so you should normally get Arial. [18:32:17] StevenW: I installed Helvetica myself, yes [18:33:03] I would prefer not to remove it as it is... well, "the" font [18:33:23] But not for browser visualization [18:34:41] jem-: if you want I can show you how to turn it off for Wikimedia sites on your account. [18:34:53] Though obviously that won't prevent other sites from displaying Helvetica. [18:35:45] StevenW: I would appreciate it, I have a .css for my home wiki (eswiki) but there are too many Wikimedia sites... [18:35:49] and we still need a screenshot :) [18:36:11] Ok, ok, give me a minute :) [18:42:49] Nemo_bis: http://toolserver.org/~jem/ChromeXP-Helvetica.png [18:43:13] eek [18:44:25] That doesn't look good. [18:44:36] jem-: jem- quick link for bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?alias=&assigned_to=wikibugs-l%40lists.wikimedia.org&attach_text=&blocked=&bug_file_loc=http%3A%2F%2F&bug_severity=normal&bug_status=NEW&cf_browser=Google%20Chrome&cf_platform=---&comment=&component=Skin%20and%20page%20rendering&contenttypeentry=&contenttypemethod=autodetect&contenttypeselection=text%2Fplain&data=&dependson=&description=&flag_type-2=X&flag_type-3=X&form_ [18:44:51] aka http://ur1.ca/h1b7p [18:44:56] Ok [18:52:24] I'm moving the screenshot to Labs in order to preserve it beyond May... [18:58:07] jem-: where did you get that copy of Helvetica? [18:58:28] It's likely that, if it was a free download, that it's a corrupted copy that won't display well anywhere on the Web. [18:58:39] Hmmmmm [18:58:57] Well, I can't remember now, it was several years ago [18:59:22] But if you're right it's no sense to open a bug [19:00:08] It's okay if you want to open a bug. I can help you either find an update, remove it from your personal stylesheets, or otherwise find a fix. [19:01:32] Thanks :) Well, I'll try to make sure I have a legitimate font, then (although I was feeling really happy with Liberation Sans) [19:02:00] You can definitely still set that in your personal CSS of course :) [19:02:28] Yes, but only for each individual wiki, isn't it? [19:03:03] I have done so for eswiki, but I often switch to Commons, Wikidata, Meta, en.wiki... [19:03:30] jem-: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57891 should help with that when deployed [19:05:13] jem-: if you want to keep Helvetica but not have it displayed anywhere, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylish may help as well. [19:05:28] That will work even for sites that aren't like Wikimedia and let you customize. [19:06:09] Thanks, yuvipanda, I'll watch it, and thanks, StevenW, I'll read it [19:06:46] In fact, StevenW, I tried the supposed custom.css for Chrome but didn't work, apparently [19:07:04] The one in my profile folders, I mean [19:07:22] Okay, I will take a look. Is this on eswiki? [19:08:19] StevenW: I think I don't understand [19:27:21] Does someone know from the top of their head who is responsible for lists.wm.o? I received a mad e-mail from someone who claims to have received 'hundreds of e-mails in a few minutes' from lists.wm.o... [19:28:02] !blame Gloria [19:28:23] (that's in jest, not serious.) [19:30:08] valhallasw: There are no public mailing lists with that sort of traffic [19:30:18] Even all of them combined. [19:30:37] Did they perhaps mean wiki@wm.org? If they have a lot of pages on their watchlist, this can happen. [19:30:51] odder: I'm not sure. [19:31:49] I just got an angry 'unsubscribe me! This is a malicious list.' mail, and when I asked why the list was called 'malicious', the answer was 'Because I simple received hundreds of emails in couple of minutes from your provider, lists.wikimedia.org, without any reason.' [19:32:05] which, if it's true, sounds like an issue to investigate [19:32:20] It does indeed. [19:32:33] But investigation generally requires more data, so please ask them for it. [19:33:03] I'd rather forward the e-mail to someone who is responsible, so they can do that ;-) [19:33:04] A couple of exemplary e-mails would be nice. [19:33:34] valhallasw: long time ago I had problems with I talked to mark, but those days - dunno [19:33:42] James Alexander sets up a lot of mailing lists [19:33:59] but he's LCA, not Engineering [19:34:07] a Bugzilla bug would be best if you ask me... [19:34:55] In the 'keeping track of the issue'-department, yes [19:35:10] In the 'keeping friendly relations with someone who is already angry with us'... maybe not ;-) [19:35:25] I'll send an e-mail to Sumana, she'll probably know who to poke. [19:41:07] valhallasw, "I'm trying to find out. This is not the expected or desired behaviour at all. I filed a bug here and am pinging people to get it worked out. In the mean time, you could really help us out finding the cause of the issue with more information. Do you still have a means to find out which list(s) it were, and do you still maybe have the emails?" [19:41:35] 2 years of ISP helpdesk experience changed me. I'm not sure if it is for the better. [19:42:07] MartijnH: Yes, I could do that, but I'm not immediately inclined to act as the WMF's first-line helpdesk ;-) [19:42:24] lazy, lazy [19:42:37] valhallasw, does the user use Yahoo for mail? Might be https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59731#c33 [19:43:12] valhallasw: the "the messages get delivered en masse" part of that comment [19:43:26] andre__: yes, yahoo.com.br. [19:44:00] still, a few hundred is really uncommon. [19:44:08] valhallasw, also see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56414 [19:44:40] now if that user could contact Yahoo and ask what we're supposed to do about it, and then add that info to the last ticket... :) [19:44:54] odder: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html [19:45:36] that might be bounces from that too [19:47:18] odder, at the same time, hyperbole is really common. Dozens would still be really annoying, and could easily feel like hundreds [19:47:38] Sure, I do understand that. [19:47:49] I'm used to getting a few hundred e-mails in a matter of minutes [19:48:03] But those come from wiki@wm.org, not from mailing lists :-) [19:50:28] andre__: in any case, and if possible, it might be a good idea to make sure the reporter is (as he requested) removed from all mailing lists -- I could only check the pywikipedia ones. [19:55:52] valhallasw, I don't think that Mailman has some "global" view for this (or I don't know) [19:56:04] OK, no problem. [19:56:12] I've mailed the reporter a summary of the issues. [20:03:29] there is a global view of all mailing lists [20:03:53] and it's possible to change settings on all at once; no idea if one can "sudo" into another's account to use that feature though [21:07:30] Hey all. Is there a master listing of all namespaces across all WMF projects, and what their number is (i.e. 0 for mainspace, 1 for mainspace talk, 6 for file, 10 for template, etc.) ? [21:13:36] Yes and no. [21:13:45] Sven_Manguard: There is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_namespace_registration for most known namespaces of various extensions, and you can query each wiki via api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces%7Cnamespacealiases (will vary depending on activated extensions and config). I don't think there is a list [21:14:26] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Namespace#Built-in_namespaces is for core namespaces [21:14:32] + what se4598 posted [21:14:40] the only list is on toolserver [21:15:01] oh? [21:15:18] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48625 [21:15:46] There are 76 namespace code numbers in use across WMF projects. [21:15:53] according to the list of numbers I have [21:16:25] http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php has some numbers too [21:16:26] "se4598 (prefer cc the other)", you know that you can ask the two merged on wikimedia>bugzilla don't you? :) [21:16:55] Sven_Manguard, each wiki also exposes its namespace ids via a JS variable. not sure if this might be useful to you though [21:17:43] Krenair: Well, what I am aiming to do is revamp the colors that the edit counter is using, because there are a lot of conflicts [21:18:19] Nemo_bis: yes, i know. [21:18:21] I'm not sure how I'd go about finding which namespaces are in use in which projects, without tracking down ever single one [21:18:41] Sven_Manguard, does that tool deal with multiple wikis at once? [21:19:13] Krenair: nope! That saves me a lot of colors, I just need to make sure that the color sets aren't used twice on the same project [21:19:36] Sven_Manguard, in that case you could query the API for the wiki when someone makes a request for that wiki [21:19:53] and keep it cached for a long time [21:20:49] Krenair: what I really would like is the ability to say "All WMF projects: Please tell me if you have a namespace 446, and then a couple will say "Yes we do" and most will say "No" [21:21:20] and then I can check and see "oh, 446 is the Education Program namespace" [21:21:40] Yeah, would be nice to have table like TS [21:21:41] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48625 [21:21:49] vote then :) [22:19:12] Crap, my power is flickering. If I drop out before I'm ready to leave, thanks to everyone that's helped me. [22:19:33] If not, well I was going to thank you later but I guess I just did so now... [22:25:00] I forgot who is OAuth for change language on all wmf project? [22:26:29] Kolega2357, not sure what you mean. Do you refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAuth ? [22:26:44] Yes I am prefer OAuthg [22:26:49] OAuth* [22:26:57] Kolega2357: there was something at https://tools.wmflabs.org/globalprefs/ but the http server is currently not activated [22:27:15] legoktm: ^ [22:27:24] ah, I see [22:28:47] Who is seceond wat to change language on all wmf wikis? [22:45:48] Kolega2357: could you rephrase? I don't understand "seceond wat". [22:46:15] Who is second way to change language on all wmf wikis? [22:48:19] Kolega2357: I don't know that there is currently another way. there was a time ago a javascript which goes through all wikis and creates an account (automatically by visit), but not a one to change preferences