[00:10:07] When I try to use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages/Draft: with "hide redirects" it seems to give some issues [18:23:46] greg-g: Got a minute? [18:24:00] twkozlowski: gimme 10 [18:24:25] kk [18:35:25] twkozlowski: ok, hi! [18:36:24] greg-g: Good morning [18:36:36] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of_March_24th [18:36:49] You will be deploying Vector to test wikis and Wikipedias, but not to other wikis? [18:37:13] Sorry, not Vector, but Typography Refresh to Vector* [18:39:55] greg-g: Should it be rolled out the Usual Way? (1) MW.org + test, (2) non-Wikipedias, (3) Wikipedias? [18:40:16] Shouldn't* [18:47:02] twkozlowski: right, since skins are part of core (stupidly), it's a merge into core, thus the plan is for it to go out with wmf20 ("riding the train") and *potentially* being backported into wmf19 (ie: everywhere) if no other issues. [18:49:41] Oh, dat [18:50:07] When would you know what the actual decision is? [18:50:24] And why would you backport it in the first place? [18:51:03] It's waited so long, a week won't hurt, and gives people (1) time to prepare (2) some certainty [18:51:09] * greg-g nods [18:51:14] good reasoning, lemme chat with Steven [18:51:27] I'm inclined to do that [18:59:04] greg-g: This way, I will be able to do something like [18:59:08] Typography Refresh will be enabled on test wikis and MediaWiki.org for users using the Vector skin on March 27. For users on non-Wikipedia wikis, it will be enabled on April 1, and for Wikipedia users on April 3. If you don't use Vector as your skin, you will not be affected. [19:03:30] greg-g: While on it... [19:03:33] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2014-March/000632.html [19:03:59] Do you know if the 'soon' used by Jared means 'next week' or 'sometime next quarter'? [19:10:51] twkozlowski: at least compact personal toolbar will get flow on it's talk page next week, the others will be decided by 2pm Pacific today. [19:11:29] Will get Flow... so it will also be deployed as a BF on MW.org next week? [19:26:35] twkozlowski: no, their talk pages on mw.org, no new BFs next week (other than expanding hovercards to allwikis as a BF) [19:27:29] Thanks greg-g [19:28:16] greg-g: So any decision on TR rollout? [19:29:39] twkozlowski: haven't had a change to talk to Steven yet :( in this security training session [19:30:00] StevenW: around, have 3 minutes? I shouldn't step out long :) [19:39:09] hm, I guess I'll just skip that item for now [19:39:43] * twkozlowski can wait until ca. 12 AM Pacific [19:39:59] wait, that would be 1 PM [19:47:20] greg-g: back now from lunch [19:48:21] StevenW: /me comes over real quick [19:50:50] StevenW: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deployments&diff=106583&oldid=106582 <-- twkozlowski [19:51:01] ie: just wmf20, let it roll out [19:53:39] Yes please [19:59:11] StevenW: So? [20:03:50] greg-g, StevenW: is it always so damn hard to get any info out of you people? [20:12:34] twkozlowski: please moderate your tone. [20:12:46] We don't live to serve Tech News. And this isn't the only thing I'm working on. [20:13:02] I'll update the Design list etc. now [20:13:20] No shit. [20:15:02] twkozlowski: sorry, I may have needed to convey more information in my ping: that is the current plan after talking with steven. [20:15:13] * greg-g was in that security meeting [20:15:18] s/that/a/ [20:40:54] StevenW: You are heading the biggest Wikipedia visual change since the introduction of Vector, and to say that it appears quite chaotic is to put it mildly. [20:41:09] So apologies for losing my temper, but also fix your communication, please. [23:53:12] twkozlowski: whats being deployed?