[00:26:26] Newyorkadam: yes? [00:26:34] Betacommand: sup [00:42:02] Newyorkadam: did you need something? [00:42:09] Betacommand: no, just saying hi [00:42:33] Newyorkadam: I would request that you not ping me unless you need something, thanks [00:43:49] ok [00:46:03] it helps reduce the noise and number of pings I have to follow up where I am needed for some reason or another [09:07:48] what's global abusefilter 83 [09:08:05] why is it marked as testing [09:23:53] I'm creating a local copy of Wikipedia EN (enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2, Wikipedia claims to be 4471000+ articles, yet the import currently says it's done with 7853000 pages, is that normal? [09:25:02] so 7853000 pages done so far, no idea how many pages to go. [09:28:07] Withoutaname: It doesn't disallow edits. [09:28:10] Only tags the edits [09:28:24] the newest glboal abuse filter [09:28:37] I've seen many false positives from that one [09:28:44] ok [09:29:07] Test, just a test spam [09:30:04] Glaisher: just a headsup but I think it got a recent hit with 121.205.241.188 [09:30:11] can you please check [09:30:41] yep [09:30:43] xwiki spambot [09:30:51] also when I saw the hit I was confused as to whether the abusefilter was experimental or the editor being tagged was experimenting [09:31:10] so that's not a legitimate IP tester? [09:31:21] It's a spambot. [09:31:34] kk thanks [09:31:56] sDrewthedoff: might be able give you the details regarding that filter. [09:31:59] we know at least that the filter is fully operational in terms of tagging, even with falsepos [09:32:17] *now [09:32:25] Yes, it's enabled. [09:34:44] should it be changed to (tagging only) or is it still (testing)? [09:37:49] Withoutaname: It doesn't disallow edits. Only tagging [09:39:58] the tag reads "Tag: possible spambot (testing)" [09:40:44] im assuming then the testing refers to tagging only, and it doesnt disallow [09:42:00] Yes [09:42:09] It flags spambot edits [09:42:13] not test edits by real users [10:04:23] anyone know how many pages are in enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2 ? the import says so far 7968000 pages have been imported [10:24:28] I'm starting to think the importer is just recursing the import, it's currently at 8034000 pages [10:27:16] binni: define recursing? [10:28:06] It's not hard to know how many pages there are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics [10:28:11] once it's done importing all articles it continues from the first article [10:28:59] O_o [10:29:36] If it imports duplicate revisions (with the same timestamp) it's a major bug [10:30:44] Nemo_bis, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics says there are 4,475,531 "articles", the importer says it's at "page" 8,045,000, so that doesn't seem right [10:31:10] I'm using http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps/mwimport [10:31:35] with enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2 [10:35:45] been importing for 3 days so not sure if I should just stop it and investigate.. [10:37:41] Ah. There is no reason to believe that mwimport works [10:38:07] Withoutaname: it was a filter that was supposedly working well at enWP to identify a certain type of abuse. I pulled it over, and letting it run for a week, then I will evaluate it. [10:38:41] binni: do add a comment on talk page please; but nobody maintains that script [10:39:49] Nemo_bis, do you recommend any other script? I just want it to do 1.import enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2 2.be fast if possible. [10:43:32] Nemo_bis, I guess I'll go with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwdumper [10:48:48] Yes, that's broken too, but in different ways [10:49:06] I assume you're aware of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps/Tools_for_importing [10:53:47] Nemo_bis, no, I wasn't, thanks :) [15:11:25] [[Tech]]; André437; /* Local variables in page or template */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=7903303&oldid=7894704&rcid=5122016 [17:48:01] Hi! der Chat funktioniert, Firefox und IE kann sämtliche Seiten aufrufen, nur alle Seiten des WP-"Kontinuums" nicht. Brauche Eure Hilfe mal ... [17:48:02] Fehler: Netzwerk-Zeitüberschreitung [17:48:04] Der Server unter de.wikipedia.org braucht zu lange, um eine Antwort zu senden. [17:49:25] Cannot open any ...wikipedia.org. Network Timeout, all other websites can be opened. What can I do [17:49:50] website cache is empty [17:50:24] firefox and internet explorer cannot open any ...wikipedia.org-Server due to network timeout [17:53:12] ping de.wikipedia.org: replied by 91.198.174.192: Bytes=32 Zeit=26ms TTL=56 [17:56:11] Doc_Taxon: you know about ping, can you do a traceroute as well? [17:57:45] Routenverfolgung zu text-lb.esams.wikimedia.org [91.198.174.192] über maximal 30 [17:57:46] Abschnitte: [17:57:48] 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms fritz.slwlan.box [192.168.178.1] [17:57:49] 2 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms 217.0.116.73 [17:57:51] 3 11 ms 7 ms 7 ms 217.0.69.66 [17:57:52] 4 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms f-ed5-i.F.DE.NET.DTAG.DE [217.5.95.30] [17:57:54] 5 24 ms 13 ms 13 ms ffm-b12-link.telia.net [213.248.79.201] [17:57:55] 6 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms ffm-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.135.8] [17:57:57] 7 22 ms 22 ms 20 ms hbg-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.135.145] [17:57:58] 8 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms adm-bb3-link.telia.net [80.91.245.218] [17:58:00] 9 30 ms 23 ms 23 ms adm-b5-link.telia.net [213.155.134.45] [17:58:02] 10 23 ms 23 ms 22 ms wikimedia-ic-129908-adm-b3.c.telia.net [213.248. [17:58:03] 93.86] [17:58:05] 11 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms text-lb.esams.wikimedia.org [91.198.174.192] [17:58:06] Ablaufverfolgung beendet. [18:03:21] greg-g Can I do anything? [18:03:49] traceroute is okay, ping too [18:04:05] seems to be all okay [18:04:11] Doc_Taxon: sorry, I missed your response [18:04:15] it's better now? [18:05:17] can I do network time some longer? [18:05:46] can't reach any wikipedia server [18:05:53] all languages and commons [18:06:13] but traceroute is okay [18:12:10] Doc_Taxon: already tried restarting your router? [18:13:01] ToBeFree Can it be? All other website do work [18:13:59] May I know why this tool link not working since couple of days? [18:14:00] https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools [18:16:08] Doc_Taxon: if traceroute it ok, I'm stumped. [18:16:23] Doc_Taxon: I assume you live in Germany, right [18:16:41] yes I do [18:16:45] why? [18:55:40] Doc_Taxon: so did you try?^^ It might be a weird problem which could actually be fixed by a router restart. Be it a new IP, be it a cleared DNS cache inside the router, whatever. I'd at least *try* it because it doesn't cost anything^^ [18:57:50] Yes okay. I tried to connect to wikipedia.org via WLAN by Android phone. Since then the connection is okay. Thank you very much. [18:58:17] There was even a second German user having the same problems, solved too! [18:58:45] I don't know about the reason. [19:06:26] StevenW: Hi. [19:06:47] It appears you forgot to update the Design mailing list about your decision re: Typography Refresh deployment [19:08:27] greg-g: ^ [19:08:50] * greg-g will let StevenW do that [19:10:00] So you don't know, greg-g? [19:11:29] don't know... if he did? you said he didn't, right? [19:11:37] or what the changes are? [19:11:50] either way, I can't answer them, he can :) [19:14:01] twkozlowski: will do today [19:14:14] twkozlowski: exact date depends on when Kaldari gets a patch up. [19:14:45] but we're aiming for next week [19:19:37] * Nemo_bis still doesn't even know if it's about Vector, core or another extension [19:20:35] is Vector skin an extension or a core feature? [19:20:40] greg-g: :-/ [19:21:02] Soon to launch beta features include (..) Compact Personal [19:21:07] ...Bar [19:21:16] What does "soon" even mean? :-(( [19:22:09] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2014-March/000632.html BTW [19:23:58] greg-g: On a related subject [19:24:06] 23:29 logmsgbot: spage Finished scap: Retry Add Popups extension (Hovercards Beta Feature) to wmf17 and 18, not enabled yet (duration: 07m 15s) [19:24:25] greg-g: But nowhere could I find any information on what wikis this was supposed to be enabled [19:24:53] all [19:25:08] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61167#c3 [19:25:17] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61167#c4 [19:25:40] twkozlowski: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/119445/ [19:26:14] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2014/12 bd808 [19:29:12] twkozlowski: confused on which extension you're talking about [19:29:24] sorry, popups is just mw.org right now, but all as a BF [19:29:29] s/popups/hovercard/ [19:33:40] greg-g: My point exactly [19:33:51] You're saying it's a BF on all wikis; not true. [19:34:02] I wasn't talking about hovercards [19:34:06] I was talking about Typogrpahy [19:34:12] what I thought was the topic of conversation [19:34:14] And when I reviewed the lists for info, I couldn't find a mention :-( [19:34:18] sorry, I'm doing other work at the same time :) [19:34:36] sure thing [19:35:09] we just need more pro-active communication about stuff like that, that's all I'm moaning about right now :-) [19:35:17] but, ok, so... what's the issue/question/clarification needed? catch me up :) [19:35:24] twkozlowski: agreed, i'm pushing on that [19:35:46] greg-g: Question was, on what wikis was Hovercards supposed to be enabled as a BF [19:35:55] mw (and test) [19:35:57] for https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2014/12 [19:36:16] I asked at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61167#c3 [19:36:30] and you replie dto yourself :) [19:36:31] But no-one responded, and I had to publish that bit with slightly incorrect info [19:37:10] greg-g: Only after three days tho :-/ [19:37:26] So, summary of what happened no on bugzilla: things changing last minute (like the same), confusion on who was deploying when, me getting upset about that, finally clarity the day before [19:37:33] s/no on/not on/ [19:37:42] s/like the same/like the name/ [19:38:13] also, decisions on flow on BF talk pages by default from now on (conclusion: yes) [19:38:24] twkozlowski: on Hovercards, see the email to Wikitech and Wikitech-ambassadors subject line "Upcoming Beta Features and Flowification of their talk pages" [19:38:26] if you can, make a note of that in the TechNews [19:38:53] StevenW: I needed the info a week ago :-) [19:39:04] Hovercards is only on mediawiki.org right now. If you need more info Dan Garry (dgarry@wikimedia.org, Deskana on IRC) is the Product Manager [19:39:58] twkozlowski: yeah, clarification on that (product managers): [19:40:01] I asked at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61167#c16 so will just wait patiently [19:40:31] James-F is the general BetaFeature PM, but only really of the BF extension itself. There are one-off PMs per specific BF. [19:41:09] StevenW for Typo, Dan for Hover, and so far Jorm for the Winter stuff I haven't looked at yet [19:42:33] this *should* be on the BF page themselves, I belive (who the PM is) [19:43:46] greg-g: Appreciate the information, but that's slightly irrelevant for my purposes :-) [19:43:52] just saying :) [19:43:57] I'm just pointing out that when a BF gets enabled anywhere [19:44:10] pre-emptively agreed [19:44:11] Info (1) where and (2) when would be appreciated [19:44:49] if /I/ have to dig for this, then think of the regular Wikipedian! :-) [19:46:01] Agreed. This wasn't communicated effectively/timely at all. There were too many moving peices for too long. [19:51:39] greg-g: Please don't think I'm trying to tell you how to do your job, but if there is confusion around a deployment despite repeated attempts to get clarity, isn't the right response to postpone the deployment? [19:52:43] RoanKattouw: Yes. there were extenuating circumstances here that I had to weigh, but yes, fully agree. [19:52:56] Sure, I recognize that too [20:37:45] I wonder who wants to be a mentor for a GSoC idea: global script, especially module. We have talked about this so long(maybe 2 years or more). [20:39:47] fantasticfears: doesn't mean anything [20:41:22] Nemo_bis: why?.. [20:41:41] because it doesn't [20:41:57] express yourself with complete sentences and meaningful words, then maybe someone will understand what you mean [20:42:27] just because you're on IRC it doesn't mean that you can mumble meaningless babble and someone will read your mind [20:42:48] OK, I'll try. [20:43:50] fantasticfears: I don't know what "global script, especially module" means, but if you have a question, please ask it :) [20:46:22] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Global_scripts This RFC is about global script, which talks about global gadgets, global Scribunto moduls and possible global templates. [20:47:09] Yes, or in other words Heaven and beyond [20:47:22] It's not an idea, it's a topic [20:48:35] when somebody create a module, e.g. HTMLBuilder. then it takes much time to sync it to local commnuity. global module on the mediawiki.org can be tackle this problem more easily and we can do less work but i18n [20:49:31] twkozlowski: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2014/13 updated with VE items, BTW. [20:49:58] Nemo_bis, so I would talk about Scribunto module. I don't know if it looks reasonable to you [20:50:45] Global modules/scripts/templates is not an easy task. [20:50:57] Just got the e-mail, James_F [20:51:01] Thanks a bunch [20:51:07] Always happy to help. :-) [20:52:24] fantasticfears: that's already something more defined [20:52:45] legoktm: so do you think it's good for a GSoC project? [20:53:03] not at all. [20:53:15] If you don't hope for whatever you produce to be used ever, maybe [20:54:11] alright, I will try to get to work with featured ideas, thanks you guys :) [22:25:04] Does anyone know where Special:GettingStarted went? I may be misjudging but I am pretty sure it was at that location [22:25:31] tos: which wiki? [22:25:37] EnWiki [22:25:46] StevenW: ^ [22:26:11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GettingStarted?gettingStartedReturn=true [22:26:20] or that [22:26:28] It was a page allowing users to go to a random page with a copyedit and referencing tag [22:27:52] greg-g, It looks similar enough, but I think there was also a page that is now gone. [22:28:08] * greg-g isn't sure [22:28:17] the special page only transcluded a template [22:28:22] #wikimedia-growth is a good place to ask [22:28:41] I thought it was a pretty useful page I would direct newer-but-definitely-learning editors to [22:28:46] now it requires a parameter and then it imports user scripts from MediaWiki namespace or other stuff the extension has [22:29:06] you should still be able to direct them to the template it transcluded, I think (on en.wiki) [22:29:23] Nemo_bis, So is there any particular page I can direct them to, On EnWiki? [22:29:24] unless the bot powering it exploded, of course :) [22:29:33] ask SuggestBot [22:29:45] I do not find the Special page anywhere [22:30:52] Nemo_bis, Err? How do I ask a bot? [22:32:15] tos: is the guide in English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GettingStarted [22:32:20] There are links to other languages too. [22:32:44] Oh, just a week ago one year since the death https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=SuggestBot&namespace=10&tagfilter=&year=2014&month=-1 [22:33:07] The Special page does not exist anymore, and it's just delivered to users right after they sign up. [22:33:59] StevenW, There used to exist a single page with minimal instructuctions. I liked that very much because of it's lack of clutter and the fact that I could direct them to it to start working on actual articles [22:34:16] StevenW, Is there any way the page can be brought back? [22:34:21] Not for now. [22:34:41] We deliver the same kind of options still, but don't depend on sending users to a Special page. [22:34:55] if you want to get a random page from any category, you can always use Special:RandomInCategory. Including as a link, like [[Special:RandomInCategory/All articles needing copyedit]] [22:35:02] tos: you can use Special:RandomInCategory now thanks to bawolff [22:35:57] StevenW, I very strongly prefer a single page. For one, editors can now bookmark the page. So can we have a little redundancy and allow the Special page? [22:36:36] The bookmarking hints at the problem with the Special page. Which is that it's hard to find unless [22:36:41] A) you send a notification to users [22:36:49] Or just create it as a subpage of my personal userspace? [22:36:53] B) put it in the site navigation somewhere [22:37:15] We don't want to add clutter to site navigation for just that Special page, so we need to figure out another way. [22:37:15] tos, I suggest you to file an enhancement request in core for RandomInCategory to be transcludable (if it isn't) [22:37:22] Yeah that's a good idea. [22:37:39] bawolff will probably fix it at some point because he's awesome ;) [22:37:41] RandomInCategory also needs an API method... [22:37:55] StevenW, Can you just create the same page over in my personal namespace? [22:37:56] GettingStarted tasks are accessible via the API, but limited to the categories we set. [22:38:04] *personal userspaces [22:38:22] User:Soni/GettingStarted than Special:GettingStarted [22:38:42] tos: do you just want a link to a random copyediting page to give new people? [22:39:22] We can't transclude the Special page in userspace. It doesn't exist anymore. But there are a couple ways we can give a permanent link to get a random article for copyediting or any other task category. [22:39:37] It just won't have the guided tours and help toolbar. [22:39:42] StevenW, I want to give a link to a page where they can access random copyediting or other categories of pages [22:39:50] Yeah we can give you that. [22:40:03] Can I drop a note on your English Wikipedia talk page with some links? [22:40:17] StevenW, I am assuming the Special page was in wikicode. Can you recreate the same wikicode on my own userspace? [22:40:40] Not precisely, but very close. :) [22:40:55] What was the assumption xkcd? [22:41:28] leet+2 [22:41:32] https://xkcd.com/1339/ [22:45:10] http://xkcd.com/915/ [22:45:29] "Wine, house music, fonts, ants, Wikipedia signatures" [22:45:30] LOL [22:50:01] StevenW, I'll wait for you to get back to me on this :) [23:34:20] csteipp: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/117635/ is going to go out with wmf19 or 20> [23:34:21] ? [23:34:29] Need to get announcements going. [23:36:17] StevenW: wmf19 [23:36:48] That didn't change the limit though, so it doesn't affect anyone until we do that [23:37:31] But yeah, any time after 3/27 we can bump the min length